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Ed Bertrand
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« Reply #15 on: January 19, 2007, 04:27:51 PM »

Thanks Rick. If you could verify that date when you get home I'd appreicate it.

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« Reply #16 on: January 19, 2007, 07:32:41 PM »

My sales order from Jan 68 states options as a/c buckets,console,custom interior,clock and WSW tires.
So does all the console casr get the woodgrain dash and column shift get black?
Just thinking out loud
I agree with ED  lets find out some more
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11C 1967 - Born on date estimated Nov 15th,1967 LA Plant
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« Reply #17 on: January 19, 2007, 09:03:13 PM »

I contacted Rich to find out if there was any new info on the change-over date for the woodgrain ashtray. Although not a direct quote, here's what he had to say (Thanks Rich).

For the Los Angeles plant, cars from 02C have the woodgrain ashtray, and most cars up to and including 01B have black. However, there are holes in the Los Angeles data between 01C and 02C, so there is still a 4 to 5 week period for which we can't be sure of the extent of overlap.
 
For the Norwood plant, cars from 03C have the woodgrain ashtray, although woodgrain does start occurring sporadically in 01C. However, as there are a number of cases where people have Obviously swapped in the wrong ashtray, which of these during this time period is real and which is not is uncertain.

Note that there is a bit of factory difference in that Los Angeles had a shorter overlap period of no more than 5 weeks, vs. 8 to 9 weeks at Norwood.
 
Summary:
 
                 Black          Woodgrain      Notes
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Thru 01B    LOS/NOR    n/a                 early black only
01C-02B     LOS/NOR    LOS/NOR         early transition
02C-03B     NOR           LOS/NOR         late transition
03C-on      n/a             LOS/NOR         late woodgrain only
 
Please remember that this is still preliminary data and should not be taken as a final determination. This is an ongoing CRG research report and we welcome additional input. Especially in the gray areas mentioned above. If you are positive your ashtray is original, please contact us.


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« Reply #18 on: January 19, 2007, 09:12:54 PM »

I'm third owner and had the car 21yrs. I've done the only resto work on car 68 RS/SS 02d date woodgrain ashtray.
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« Reply #19 on: January 19, 2007, 09:17:40 PM »

Kevin,

Norwood or LA plant?

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« Reply #20 on: January 19, 2007, 09:24:01 PM »

Sorry norwood
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« Reply #21 on: January 19, 2007, 10:42:08 PM »

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                 Black          Woodgrain      Notes
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Thru 01B    LOS/NOR    n/a                 early black only
01C-02B     LOS/NOR    LOS/NOR         early transition
02C-03B     NOR           LOS/NOR         late transition
03C-on      n/a             LOS/NOR         late woodgrain only
 
Ed...
sorry for my inexperience but what is ...01B,01C,02B,02C ect mean in date code translation
If my car is nov 67 3rd week what is it.

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« Reply #22 on: January 19, 2007, 11:12:56 PM »

Those are the Fisher tag months and week of month.  We're talking early 1968 here for the changeover; your car is late 67 and so definitely a black ashtray car.
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« Reply #23 on: January 19, 2007, 11:40:28 PM »

Sorry about that Cfar. Yes, as Rich stated it's the month and week of the cars build date. 01C would be the 3rd week of January, 02B would be the second week in February, etc... In your case, the 3rd week of November would be 11C.

Note that this is the week your car was started at the Fisher Body Plant and may not be (and probably won't be) the week it rolled off the final assembly line. For some really good info on the first generation Camaro assembly process, read THIS REPORT by John Hinckley (JohnZ). He was there when it all happened!

By the way, thanks Kevin. I'll add it to the list.

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« Reply #24 on: January 20, 2007, 02:09:08 AM »

Hey Ed and all who have helped,

I completely forgot that I have a hard bound dealer sales binder for the 68 model year.
Copyright 1967 I bought years ago.

So I take it out and here is what I found-
The RPOZ87 custom interior states-"woodgrain styled instrument panel trim"
The RPO Z23 states the same panel.
But was is really odd is the only pictures of the dash are in the custom features
section,which are artist renditions and it shows a woodgrain panel with am-fm radio
and Black ash tray.Also the FM stereo tape player with woodgrain panel and Black ash tray.

Now I look at the dealer sales paper book thats with it (thats the one you could get when you go to the dealer)
and it also shows on the options and custom feature page,
a regular photo of the deluxe steering wheel,guages and push button radio-All with a Black ash tray.

So I would say you are 100% correct in that the early models had Black ash trays
no matter what interior was ordered.
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As a interesting side note of value, on the colors and trim page of the dealer binder there is a revision sticker
note that has been added that states-

"Rallye Green,British Green,LeMans Blue,Corvette Bronze are now avail on any Camaro.
The 4 colors they replace are Tuxedo Black.Fathom Blue,Grecian Green, Palomino Ivory."
and
"Houndstooth interior avail with Ivory or Black vinyl trim"

So this helps to explain why such low production of these colors.

I think were on a roll now ED

Thanks
Frank
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« Reply #25 on: January 20, 2007, 04:13:31 AM »

I have 3 woodgrain ash trays I bought on e-bay. I believe the most expensive was $65.00. The fact that 1 sold for $180.00 is not reflective of all. Prices on e-bay ebb and flow. Other than Hemmings I don't know of another place that allows you access to world when searching for parts. Of course you could take a year and travel the swap meet circuit.
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« Reply #26 on: January 20, 2007, 04:50:25 AM »

Ed, in response to your question. I'm almost positive my ashtray is original, but I can't be absolutely positive as I bought the car used in 1980. The car is very original and I, nor the previous owner smoke, so the ashtray looks brand new. I will try to call the previous owner tomorrow and check with him to verify this.

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« Reply #27 on: January 21, 2007, 01:40:37 AM »

Ed, I talked to the previous owner today. He confirms the ashtray has never been changed as far as he knows. Hope that helps.

Paul
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« Reply #28 on: January 21, 2007, 12:34:33 PM »

Yes it does. Thanks Paul.

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« Reply #29 on: January 22, 2007, 12:29:42 AM »

Great thread everyone,

In an earlier post there were 3 different part #'s listed. I have seen two different black 68 style ashtrays in the past and wondered what was up. One has the grain similar to a 67 but is shaped like a 68 woodgrain ashtray. The other was shaped the same way but was a smooth satin black finish. My car is a 12C with deluxe int. and a console. I opted for the ebay route and picked up a great condition woodgrain unit about 2 years ago. Now it looks like mine should be black as well. But which black one? Thanks in advance, Dan
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