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Camaro Research Group Discussion => Originality => Topic started by: cfar on January 19, 2007, 03:13:36 AM

Title: 68 woodgrain ash tray+dlx hubcaps
Post by: cfar on January 19, 2007, 03:13:36 AM
Hi all- Newbe here
Restoring a Nov 67 LA 55k so far a numbers match L30 car.
How important is it to have the woodgrain ash tray in my car.
It is missing and I can not find one anywhere.Told a repo is not made.
Also the dlx hub caps need resto and center emblems-anyone restore or sell hub caps and sell the emblems
Thanks

Title: Re: 68 woodgrain ash tray+dlx hubcaps
Post by: jeff68 on January 19, 2007, 10:43:41 AM
Welome.  I would say that the importance of the wood grain ash tray really comes down to what you are doing with the car.  If you are trying to make a 1000 point correct show car, then it is very important.  If not, then not so important.  However, IMO a black ash tray looks a little goofy when the rest of the center trim is wood grain.

For the hub caps, are you referring to the P01 wheel covers?  My 68 also came with these covers and the emblems are very faded.  I've never seen just the emblems available.  For restoration, contact Bob Mayle at Stainless Trim Restoration (www.stainlessresto.com) to see if he can do them.  He did an incredible job on my exterior trim.  Also keep an eye on e-Bay and Hemmings for a set on NOS covers.

If all else fails, then drop me a line.  Quite a while back I picked up a set of NOS P01 wheel covers to use on my restoration.  I haven't decided whether or not I am going to use them.

-Jeff
Title: Re: 68 woodgrain ash tray+dlx hubcaps
Post by: cfar on January 19, 2007, 03:03:45 PM
I do not know how to attach pictures so here is a link to one of the hub cap
www.cfar.net/pics.htm (http://www.cfar.net/pics.htm) click thumbnail for a larger view

Is this the ones you are calling RPO code-P01 ?
PM me if you want to sell them.

I still need the ash tray if anyone else can help
Where is a good resource for nos camaro parts as a few things are not correct-rear leafs,frt coils,starter,steel wheels,rt frt fender and radio.

Thanks
Title: Re: 68 woodgrain ash tray+dlx hubcaps
Post by: bertfam on January 19, 2007, 03:06:32 PM
The Black ashtray was used from the start of production until sometime in late January or February. possibly as late as March. At that time the Woodgrain ashtray came into production. This is an ongoing CRG report but the last I heard, there wasn't enough info to make an absolute determination. Rich might be able to shed more info on this if there's been any additional info.

Ed
Title: Re: 68 woodgrain ash tray+dlx hubcaps
Post by: Tinkerr on January 19, 2007, 03:13:04 PM
The best resourse for a woodgrain ashtray is going to be E-bay. The prices fluctuate from $25-$100 depending on condition. Ask alot of ?s and review the the pics throughly. What you consider nice and the seller considers nice can vary greatly.
Title: Re: 68 woodgrain ash tray+dlx hubcaps
Post by: cfar on January 19, 2007, 03:14:52 PM
bertfam -
The build date is Nov 67 3rd week LA plant-It has custom Parchment/black interior
The original dash panel is wood grain but had black ash tray which is a repo.
Thanks
Title: Re: 68 woodgrain ash tray+dlx hubcaps
Post by: cfar on January 19, 2007, 03:18:22 PM
The best resourse for a woodgrain ashtray is going to be E-bay. The prices fluctuate from $25-$100 depending on condition. Ask alot of ?s and review the the pics throughly. What you consider nice and the seller considers nice can vary greatly.
E bay is nuts-The last one went for 160 and one on there now is at 190.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/68-Camaro-Original-woodgrain-ashtray_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ40017QQihZ017QQitemZ270079904345QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

i hope this is not what I have to pay
thanks
Title: Re: 68 woodgrain ash tray+dlx hubcaps
Post by: bertfam on January 19, 2007, 04:24:58 PM
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Restoring a Jan 68 LA 55k so far a numbers match L30 car.

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The build date is Nov 67 3rd week LA plant

You have me confused here. Is it a January 68 or a November 67 car?

Either way, unless it's a very late January car, you should have the black ashtray. And again, we're not sure on the change over date, so it could be as late as March, 1968.

Ed
Title: Re: 68 woodgrain ash tray+dlx hubcaps
Post by: cfar on January 19, 2007, 06:13:19 PM
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Restoring a Jan 68 LA 55k so far a numbers match L30 car.

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The build date is Nov 67 3rd week LA plant

You have me confused here. Is it a January 68 or a November 67 car?

Either way, unless it's a very late January car, you should have the black ashtray. And again, we're not sure on the change over date, so it could be as late as March, 1968.

Ed

Sorry sold Jan 18 1968 in LA
Bulit Nov 67 3rd week
Title: Re: 68 woodgrain ash tray+dlx hubcaps
Post by: bertfam on January 19, 2007, 06:23:40 PM
Ah ha!! That clears it up. Thanks.

By the way, there were actually three ashtrays used in 68!

Group 12.009 - Tray Assy, Ash Receiver

1968 Camaro (exc. console, intr. decor. pack) - 3919123
1968 Camaro w/console - 3927460 (Black)
1968 Camaro w/console - 3921861 (Woodgrain)

Ed
Title: Re: 68 woodgrain ash tray+dlx hubcaps
Post by: 1968RSZ28 on January 19, 2007, 06:42:32 PM
My 02C Los Angeles built Z/28 has a wood grain ashtray with these numbers/letters stamped on the bottom:
      M
1A27762
Hope this helps!

Paul
Title: Re: 68 woodgrain ash tray+dlx hubcaps
Post by: jeff68 on January 19, 2007, 06:55:01 PM
I do not know how to attach pictures so here is a link to one of the hub cap
www.cfar.net/pics.htm (http://www.cfar.net/pics.htm) click thumbnail for a larger view

Is this the ones you are calling RPO code-P01 ?
PM me if you want to sell them.

Yes, those are the ones.
Title: Re: 68 woodgrain ash tray+dlx hubcaps
Post by: RickShaw on January 19, 2007, 07:11:24 PM
Wow! Almost $200.00 for an ashtray? I'm the original owner of my 68 Ragtop, and it really amazes me how much some parts go for. I hope to experiment with posting a small pic of it soon. I bought it September 11, 1967. Still have the original registration and window sticker. I have a 68 RS/SS 396/375 in my basement as well, and it HAS a woodgrain ashtray! I did not but that one new, I got that in 75. I'm a newbie here, and it's great to see all the posts.
Title: Re: 68 woodgrain ash tray+dlx hubcaps
Post by: bertfam on January 19, 2007, 08:27:12 PM
Paul, thanks for that info. Are you absolutly positive it's original to your car?

Rick, can you give me the build date of your SS? I'm also assuming your September car has the black tray?

Anyone else? I'd like to continue this. The only thing I ask is that you're positive the tray is original to your car.

Ed
Title: Re: 68 woodgrain ash tray+dlx hubcaps
Post by: RickShaw on January 19, 2007, 09:17:50 PM
Yes the 68 ragtop is a black ashtray, and not being home I want to say the 68 hardtop is a March 68 date of build.  Maybe I'll put the woodgrain in the Ragtop!
Title: Re: 68 woodgrain ash tray+dlx hubcaps
Post by: bertfam on January 19, 2007, 09:27:51 PM
Thanks Rick. If you could verify that date when you get home I'd appreicate it.

Ed


Title: Re: 68 woodgrain ash tray+dlx hubcaps
Post by: cfar on January 20, 2007, 12:32:41 AM
My sales order from Jan 68 states options as a/c buckets,console,custom interior,clock and WSW tires.
So does all the console casr get the woodgrain dash and column shift get black?
Just thinking out loud
I agree with ED  lets find out some more
Title: Re: 68 woodgrain ash tray+dlx hubcaps
Post by: bertfam on January 20, 2007, 02:03:13 AM
I contacted Rich to find out if there was any new info on the change-over date for the woodgrain ashtray. Although not a direct quote, here's what he had to say (Thanks Rich).

For the Los Angeles plant, cars from 02C have the woodgrain ashtray, and most cars up to and including 01B have black. However, there are holes in the Los Angeles data between 01C and 02C, so there is still a 4 to 5 week period for which we can't be sure of the extent of overlap.
 
For the Norwood plant, cars from 03C have the woodgrain ashtray, although woodgrain does start occurring sporadically in 01C. However, as there are a number of cases where people have Obviously swapped in the wrong ashtray, which of these during this time period is real and which is not is uncertain.

Note that there is a bit of factory difference in that Los Angeles had a shorter overlap period of no more than 5 weeks, vs. 8 to 9 weeks at Norwood.
 
Summary:
 
                 Black          Woodgrain      Notes
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Thru 01B    LOS/NOR    n/a                 early black only
01C-02B     LOS/NOR    LOS/NOR         early transition
02C-03B     NOR           LOS/NOR         late transition
03C-on      n/a             LOS/NOR         late woodgrain only
 
Please remember that this is still preliminary data and should not be taken as a final determination. This is an ongoing CRG research report and we welcome additional input. Especially in the gray areas mentioned above. If you are positive your ashtray is original, please contact us.


Title: Re: 68 woodgrain ash tray+dlx hubcaps
Post by: Kev 68 on January 20, 2007, 02:12:54 AM
I'm third owner and had the car 21yrs. I've done the only resto work on car 68 RS/SS 02d date woodgrain ashtray.
M 1A27762
Kevin
Title: Re: 68 woodgrain ash tray+dlx hubcaps
Post by: bertfam on January 20, 2007, 02:17:40 AM
Kevin,

Norwood or LA plant?

Ed
Title: Re: 68 woodgrain ash tray+dlx hubcaps
Post by: Kev 68 on January 20, 2007, 02:24:01 AM
Sorry norwood
Title: Re: 68 woodgrain ash tray+dlx hubcaps
Post by: cfar on January 20, 2007, 03:42:08 AM
Quote

                 Black          Woodgrain      Notes
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Thru 01B    LOS/NOR    n/a                 early black only
01C-02B     LOS/NOR    LOS/NOR         early transition
02C-03B     NOR           LOS/NOR         late transition
03C-on      n/a             LOS/NOR         late woodgrain only
 
Ed...
sorry for my inexperience but what is ...01B,01C,02B,02C ect mean in date code translation
If my car is nov 67 3rd week what is it.

Title: Re: 68 woodgrain ash tray+dlx hubcaps
Post by: Rich on January 20, 2007, 04:12:56 AM
Those are the Fisher tag months and week of month.  We're talking early 1968 here for the changeover; your car is late 67 and so definitely a black ashtray car.
Title: Re: 68 woodgrain ash tray+dlx hubcaps
Post by: bertfam on January 20, 2007, 04:40:28 AM
Sorry about that Cfar. Yes, as Rich stated it's the month and week of the cars build date. 01C would be the 3rd week of January, 02B would be the second week in February, etc... In your case, the 3rd week of November would be 11C.

Note that this is the week your car was started at the Fisher Body Plant and may not be (and probably won't be) the week it rolled off the final assembly line. For some really good info on the first generation Camaro assembly process, read THIS REPORT (http://www.camaros.org/assemblyprocess.shtml) by John Hinckley (JohnZ). He was there when it all happened!

By the way, thanks Kevin. I'll add it to the list.

Ed


Title: Re: 68 woodgrain ash tray+dlx hubcaps
Post by: cfar on January 20, 2007, 07:09:08 AM
Hey Ed and all who have helped,

I completely forgot that I have a hard bound dealer sales binder for the 68 model year.
Copyright 1967 I bought years ago.

So I take it out and here is what I found-
The RPOZ87 custom interior states-"woodgrain styled instrument panel trim"
The RPO Z23 states the same panel.
But was is really odd is the only pictures of the dash are in the custom features
section,which are artist renditions and it shows a woodgrain panel with am-fm radio
and Black ash tray.Also the FM stereo tape player with woodgrain panel and Black ash tray.

Now I look at the dealer sales paper book thats with it (thats the one you could get when you go to the dealer)
and it also shows on the options and custom feature page,
a regular photo of the deluxe steering wheel,guages and push button radio-All with a Black ash tray.

So I would say you are 100% correct in that the early models had Black ash trays
no matter what interior was ordered.
 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
As a interesting side note of value, on the colors and trim page of the dealer binder there is a revision sticker
note that has been added that states-

"Rallye Green,British Green,LeMans Blue,Corvette Bronze are now avail on any Camaro.
The 4 colors they replace are Tuxedo Black.Fathom Blue,Grecian Green, Palomino Ivory."
and
"Houndstooth interior avail with Ivory or Black vinyl trim"

So this helps to explain why such low production of these colors.

I think were on a roll now ED

Thanks
Frank
Title: Re: 68 woodgrain ash tray+dlx hubcaps
Post by: Tinkerr on January 20, 2007, 09:13:31 AM
I have 3 woodgrain ash trays I bought on e-bay. I believe the most expensive was $65.00. The fact that 1 sold for $180.00 is not reflective of all. Prices on e-bay ebb and flow. Other than Hemmings I don't know of another place that allows you access to world when searching for parts. Of course you could take a year and travel the swap meet circuit.
Title: Re: 68 woodgrain ash tray+dlx hubcaps
Post by: 1968RSZ28 on January 20, 2007, 09:50:25 AM
Ed, in response to your question. I'm almost positive my ashtray is original, but I can't be absolutely positive as I bought the car used in 1980. The car is very original and I, nor the previous owner smoke, so the ashtray looks brand new. I will try to call the previous owner tomorrow and check with him to verify this.

Paul
Title: Re: 68 woodgrain ash tray+dlx hubcaps
Post by: 1968RSZ28 on January 21, 2007, 06:40:37 AM
Ed, I talked to the previous owner today. He confirms the ashtray has never been changed as far as he knows. Hope that helps.

Paul
Title: Re: 68 woodgrain ash tray+dlx hubcaps
Post by: bertfam on January 21, 2007, 05:34:33 PM
Yes it does. Thanks Paul.

Ed
Title: Re: 68 woodgrain ash tray+dlx hubcaps
Post by: Daniel Cate on January 22, 2007, 05:29:42 AM
Great thread everyone,

In an earlier post there were 3 different part #'s listed. I have seen two different black 68 style ashtrays in the past and wondered what was up. One has the grain similar to a 67 but is shaped like a 68 woodgrain ashtray. The other was shaped the same way but was a smooth satin black finish. My car is a 12C with deluxe int. and a console. I opted for the ebay route and picked up a great condition woodgrain unit about 2 years ago. Now it looks like mine should be black as well. But which black one? Thanks in advance, Dan
Title: Re: 68 woodgrain ash tray+dlx hubcaps
Post by: 1968RSZ28 on January 22, 2007, 08:14:14 AM
Hi Dan -

If I understand you right, you need the 3927460 (black) ashtray since you have a console per the two posts left earlier by Ed. Is that right Ed?

Paul
 
Title: Re: 68 woodgrain ash tray+dlx hubcaps
Post by: bertfam on January 22, 2007, 03:02:27 PM
The part number would be 3927460 as Paul stated, but I'm not sure which black is the "smooth" and which is the "textured". The P&A doesn't say.

I'm going to guess that the "standard" black tray (the 3919123) was smooth since that's the one pictured in the AIM (UPC-1, page B3), and since the dash itself is smooth, it would make sense. It wouldn't look right to have a smooth dash and a textured tray.

Since the console is textured, I'm again guessing that the 3927460 was textured for that same reason, but again, this is just a guess. Kurt or Rich might know. Guys?

Ed
Title: Re: 68 woodgrain ash tray+dlx hubcaps
Post by: JWC on January 23, 2007, 05:05:07 PM
I have an 02D Norwood car with what appears to be an original woodgrain ashtray.  I bought the car in 1990 and the ashtray doesn't appear to have ever been replaced.  All of the interior is (was) original except for the headliner (missing), deluxe seats and sidewall trim (replaced with standard '69 parts), and radio (missing).
Title: Re: 68 woodgrain ash tray+dlx hubcaps
Post by: lakeholme on January 23, 2007, 06:07:10 PM
Thanks Cfar for this thread!
I'm putting an "amen" to Ed's appeal to anyone who might know the difference between the two early (black) 68 ashtrays!

I'm still pursuing the original documentation on my 68 12D (so I cannot prove anything), but the interior appears to be all original.  It has the woodgrain, console; but with a smooth black ashtray, which I have always assumed was correct.  But now you guys have raised some interesting questions.  So, Dan, it is supposed to be black, but which one?  Good question...

Ed,
I looked in the Oct. 1, 1967 P&A 34 hoping it might clarify the difference between the two 68 black ashtrays (since it predates the woodgrain), but it does not even refer to either as "(black)".  In fact, it has a discrepancy, describing the 3919123 as "w/console, w/intr. decor. pack" --That's right "with" not "exe."  (I've checked it a dozen times making sure my eyes aren't deceiving me.  That's gotta be a typo, right?)  The 3927460 is "w/console".  There is only one 67 ashtray listed: 3891667, which must have been used with any interior in 67.  So, there has to be some reason for two early 68s --logical or not...

So, somebody with a documented 68 please help answer Dan's question....
Title: Re: 68 woodgrain ash tray+dlx hubcaps
Post by: Daniel Cate on January 23, 2007, 06:38:10 PM
Well guys,

Does it make sense that the first black one used would be the textured one since it followed the 67 version which is textured with the flat face? I looked again at the part #'s listed earlier thinking that they might be sequential in numbers but Noooooo! The good news for me is I have a black textured one and a woodgrain one. But I'll probably need the smooth one ;-)! I do like the looks of the woodgrain all together with the radio surround and console pieces. Anyway, thanks for the replies, Dan.................p.s. what do the stamped numbers on the bottoms mean. They are not the part #'s listed? My woodgrain has an "M" with the number IA27762 below it and the black one has AAD with 2753-1 below it. Hmmmmm?
Title: Re: 68 woodgrain ash tray+dlx hubcaps
Post by: bertfam on January 23, 2007, 07:06:00 PM
JWC, thanks for the info. I've added it to the notes.

Phil, yes, I believe your book to be incorrect since the AIM shows this ashtray as the "standard" one used. This would mean no console and no interior decor package.

I went and checked a few of my old books and lo and behold, the "standard" ashtray (3919123) is textured, so I was incorrect in my previous statement as Summertime surmised. Therefore, the "smooth" ashtray must be the 3927460.

Summertime, the number on the bottom of the tray is "probably" the supplier part number, although I have no proof of this. It's NOT a GM part number though.

Ed
Title: Re: 68 woodgrain ash tray+dlx hubcaps
Post by: cfar on January 23, 2007, 09:33:24 PM
Ok Guys here is what i have found out -
My car is a Nov 67 3rd week LA car sold new in Hollywood on Jan 18 1968.
The oe enter dash panel is woodgrain and the ??? ash tray is smooth black.
It looks like whats pictured in the dealer books I mentioned earlier

I contacted the original owner who is still in LA and she said the dash had never been replaced and does not smoke either.She sold car in 1993 when husband died.

The second owner who brought car from LA in June 1993- had car about  2 years -could not contact.
Third owner had car 10 years. 1995 - 2005

I have known and worked on this car with the 2nd and 3rd owners.1993-2005

I have had car since Sept 2005
I have no reason to think the ash tray has been changed -but I think it has.
It does not have a GM number I can find - only stamiping is a M and 1A27762 on bottom.

So that's my story and i'm sticking too it. LOL

So  I need a black GM ashtray-but smooth or textured type is the question.


Title: Re: 68 woodgrain ash tray+dlx hubcaps
Post by: 1968RSZ28 on January 23, 2007, 09:56:06 PM
cfar -

   How did you find out the owner history on your car? Thanks.

Paul
Title: Re: 68 woodgrain ash tray+dlx hubcaps
Post by: cfar on January 23, 2007, 10:31:50 PM
Paul,
I was just lucky i happen to know the 2nd and 3rd owners.I do a lot of local car club,cruises and shows.
The second owner worked for a Chevy club/restoration outfit who was contacted by original owner to post car for sale.The VP of the Chevy Club bought car and i do work for the club and the 3rd owner was sent to me also because I "knew" the car and history.


I know it has been mentioned before.....
Contact DMV for a History search on the car and tell them you just want to track car back to selling dealer.They may charged a fee.It's best if you have a connection at DMV or Law enforcement due to privacy laws.
Anybody else know any tricks to this-chime in.

Good Luck
Frank

Title: Re: 68 woodgrain ash tray+dlx hubcaps
Post by: bertfam on January 23, 2007, 10:50:02 PM
cfar,

You have the correct ashtray.

Ed
Title: Re: 68 woodgrain ash tray+dlx hubcaps
Post by: cfar on January 24, 2007, 12:22:24 AM
Hi Ed,
Thanks for the info.
I forgot to mention my ash tray is smooth black front-so I think it is ok.
Thanks
Frank
Title: Re: 68 woodgrain ash tray+dlx hubcaps
Post by: Daniel Cate on January 24, 2007, 05:43:23 AM
Guys,

See. I knew it. My car is a 3rd week Dec. 67 car. Pre woodrgrain and after Franks (cfar)'s car. Of course I don't have the smooth one ;-(. Good thing I'm going to the Turlock, Ca. swapmeet this weekend. Look out smooth ashtrays!! Here I come. Thanks again everyone, Dan
Title: Re: 68 woodgrain ash tray+dlx hubcaps
Post by: bertfam on January 24, 2007, 02:58:13 PM
Dan,

Before you go out and get another tray, here's what I've learned.

All 68's with the black dash panel received the black textured ashtray.
All 68's with the woodgrain dash panel received the smooth black ashtray up to the dates shown above.
All 68's with the woodgrain dash panel recieved the woodgrain ashtray after the dates shown above.

Hope this helps...

Ed
Title: Re: 68 woodgrain ash tray+dlx hubcaps
Post by: Daniel Cate on January 25, 2007, 04:28:26 AM
Ed,
I am correct in thinking that the woodgrain dash panel went with the deluxe interior group from the start of the 68 model year right? I have deluxe parchment and had put an orignal woodgrain piece in since mine was missing. Before I ever saw a black 68 style ashtray, I found a nice woodgrain ashtray and put it in to match. Then I saw a smooth black one listed on ebay. I thought, what does that go in and when? Since then I have picked up a textured style one just to have. So now it looks like I'll have to get the smooth one for my build date (12C) to be correct. Also, was the black style center panel for standard interior only and all the way through the model year? Thanks again for all of the clarifications. Ya gotta love the 68 mid-year stuff! My car is also A-2, Tuxedo and black vinyl top.

Dan
Title: Re: 68 woodgrain ash tray+dlx hubcaps
Post by: bertfam on January 25, 2007, 05:09:06 AM
Dan,

What I found about the panels (and the ashtray) is from the 1968 "Major Appearance and Performance Option" sheet (attached). It states that you received the woodgrain dash panel if you got either the Z87 (Custom Interior) or the Z23 (Special Interior Group) options. I've gone through my books and can definately say that yes, the woodgrain panel started at the begining of the 1968 model year. I can also safely say that even if you DIDN'T order the Z87 or the Z23 options, but DID order the D55 Console, you again got the woodgrain panel. Only cars without Z87, Z23 or D55 got the black panel, and it appears that this continued until the end of the production run. Note that the attachment states you also received the "Smooth black ashtray faceplate", so that confirms what you stated above. There's no date on this sheet, but I do know it's early. Probably written before the 68 release.

Ed

(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h52/bertfam/plate-1.jpg)

Ed

Title: Re: 68 woodgrain ash tray+dlx hubcaps
Post by: cfar on January 25, 2007, 03:25:34 PM
Dan,

What I found about the panels (and the ashtray) is from the 1968 "Major Appearance and Performance Option" sheet (attached). It states that you received the woodgrain dash panel if you got either the Z87 (Custom Interior) or the Z23 (Special Interior Group) options. I've gone through my books and can definately say that yes, the woodgrain panel started at the begining of the 1968 model year. I can also safely say that even if you DIDN'T order the Z87 or the Z23 options, but DID order the D55 Console, you again got the woodgrain panel. Only cars without Z87, Z23 or D55 got the black panel, and it appears that this continued until the end of the production run. Note that the attachment states you also received the "Smooth black ashtray faceplate", so that confirms what you stated above. There's no date on this sheet, but I do know it's early. Probably written before the 68 release.

Ed



Hey Ed,
Your the man and you made my day.
Another thing is correct on my car.
So it leaves very little to find non oe as I restore this car.
Thanks for all your reasearch,
Frank
Title: Re: 68 woodgrain ash tray+dlx hubcaps
Post by: KevinK on January 26, 2007, 01:44:29 AM
Great thread  ;)
  ...so, ...if I've absorbed all 4 pages here, ...my NOR 04C '68 (according to the data you have) would have the woodgrain ashtray?.
  ...but it doesn't, ...I've got the smooth black one.
   I purchased my car unrestored in the mid 80's, ...with all the interior very original (only replacing the bucket seat upholstery and door panels). I do have a couple 'spare' woodgrains, so that's not a problem, ...but I won't switch out the black tray just yet...
Title: Re: 68 woodgrain ash tray+dlx hubcaps
Post by: 1968RSZ28 on January 29, 2007, 03:53:43 AM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/68-1968-CAMARO-RS-SS-Z28-WOODGRAIN-ASHTRAY-GM-OEM_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ34206QQihZ020QQitemZ300073984664QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVWht

I thought I would alert anyone who might be looking for a nice original (GM) wood grain ashtray that there is one listed on eBay at this time at the above link. It appears to be in really nice condition. As of this post it was up to $127.50 with the reserve yet to be reached! No, I'm not the one selling it. Good luck!

Paul
Title: Re: 68 woodgrain ash tray+dlx hubcaps
Post by: cfar on January 29, 2007, 10:36:59 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/68-1968-CAMARO-RS-SS-Z28-WOODGRAIN-ASHTRAY-GM-OEM_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ34206QQihZ020QQitemZ300073984664QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVWht

they are Nuts !!!!
Glad I don't need it !
Title: Re: 68 woodgrain ash tray+dlx hubcaps
Post by: Daniel Cate on January 30, 2007, 04:30:42 AM
Alright guys,

I'm still on the hook for a smooth one! That was a great reference page as to what goes with what. Now, unfortunately for me I spoke to soon. I spent two days at the swap meet and came home without a smooth one (KevinK, you want to sell yours? ;-). Anyway, glad to finally get the straight scoop on this. Thanks, Dan
Title: Re: 68 woodgrain ash tray+dlx hubcaps
Post by: 1968RSZ28 on January 31, 2007, 04:23:13 AM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=300073984664&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=020

Update...sold for $199.99 + shipping!  :o Anybody want to buy mine?  ;)

Paul
Title: Re: 68 woodgrain ash tray+dlx hubcaps
Post by: Daniel Cate on January 31, 2007, 04:40:35 AM
I paid $105 for mine about 2 years ago (off the Team Camaro site). I cringed at the time but someday we'll probably say, remember when you could get one for "only" $200? Hopefully smooth ones aren't that bad. Any sellers out there? Thanks, Dan
Title: Re: 68 woodgrain ash tray+dlx hubcaps
Post by: cfar on January 31, 2007, 01:48:15 PM
I'm going to start a woodgrain ash tray business  ::)
Title: Re: 68 woodgrain ash tray+dlx hubcaps
Post by: 1968RSZ28 on February 03, 2007, 04:03:16 AM
Hi All -

   I looked at a 04D Los Angeles built '68 RallySport "survivor" today. I pulled out the wood grain ashtray and checked the numbers just for "kicks":
      M
1A27762

Same number as the other wood grain ashtrays posted on this thread. I just thought I would post this info for the CRG database. Every little bit helps.

Paul
Title: Re: 68 woodgrain ash tray+dlx hubcaps
Post by: 1968RSZ28 on February 11, 2007, 05:18:58 AM
New record price for a used wood grain ashtray: $234.50 + shipping!  Check it out:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=018&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=280078569982&rd=1&rd=1


I'm going to start a woodgrain ash tray business  ::)

Frank - Do you have your enterprise up and running yet?   ;)

Paul
Title: Re: 68 woodgrain ash tray+dlx hubcaps
Post by: cfar on February 12, 2007, 12:52:47 AM
Hi Paul,
Heck if you read this auction the guy is a out for the money because he claims last one sold for just under $200 so his must be worth that or more.
Sounds like BJ auction price to me - shilling :o
What about the preservation of the classic car.
Frank
Title: Re: 68 woodgrain ash tray+dlx hubcaps
Post by: HOGDADDY on October 22, 2007, 02:44:54 PM
My 02C Los Angeles built Z/28 has a wood grain ashtray with these numbers/letters stamped on the bottom:
      M
1A27762
Hope this helps!

Paul

I have a satin black ash tray with same PN# 1A27762 but I don't know what it came from. It could be from a 67 Firebird I dunno.
Title: Re: 68 woodgrain ash tray+dlx hubcaps
Post by: ZZ28 on November 25, 2007, 03:56:14 PM
I'm looking for a woodgrain ashtray for my '68 Camaro...   Been watching eBay and the prices seem to keep going up.  There is one on there now with 1 bid and a starting price of $160.00.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1968-68-Camaro-Woodgrain-Ashtray-Ash-Tray-HTF-LOOK_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ40017QQihZ016QQitemZ260184187363QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

Looking at Ricks' Fall/Winter 2007 catalog this morning I noticed on page 34 they offer a '68 dash ashtray, woodgrain.  There is no price and they're not open today.  Anyone know what these are going for and if someone is finally reproducing them?

here's the info.

CDP-26    68     Dash ashtray, woodgrain...............CALL
Title: Re: 68 woodgrain ash tray+dlx hubcaps
Post by: 68Zproject on November 29, 2007, 05:00:20 AM
Call, usually means... bend over.
Title: Re: 68 woodgrain ash tray+dlx hubcaps
Post by: ZZ28 on March 11, 2008, 03:00:41 PM
These '68 woodgrain ash trays keep getting more expensive every couple of months.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&viewitem=&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.ebay.com%3A80%2F270217916272_W0QQ_trksidZm37QQfromZR40QQfviZ1&item=270217916272

this used one just sold for $228.01.

I guess I'll just keep the black one that's in my car...
Title: Re: 68 woodgrain ash tray+dlx hubcaps
Post by: Pex68 on April 01, 2008, 08:47:41 PM
Wow, not sure how I never stumbled on this thread before but just thought I'd chime in now-better late than never!
Everything stated in this thread seems to be right on with what's in my car.  Here's the info:

12D LOS car
D55 Console
Woodgrain Panel
Smooth Black tray face

Great thread guys! THANKS ;D
Title: Re: 68 woodgrain ash tray+dlx hubcaps
Post by: Rsss396 on October 14, 2014, 02:00:19 PM
I know this is a old thread but I have a question, I have seen the walnut woodgrain applied in both the horizontal and vertical fashion can anyone one explain this?
Title: Re: 68 woodgrain ash tray+dlx hubcaps
Post by: vtfb68 on October 14, 2014, 03:44:18 PM
Pontiac firebirds came with both walnut and a knotty woodgrain laminate.
 VT
Title: Re: 68 woodgrain ash tray+dlx hubcaps
Post by: KurtS on October 16, 2014, 12:47:20 AM
Pontiac firebirds came with both walnut and a knotty woodgrain laminate.
And in a different orientation than Camaro, IIRC.
Title: Re: 68 woodgrain ash tray+dlx hubcaps
Post by: L78racer on October 18, 2014, 05:28:51 PM
Firebird was horizontal and had a different ash tray.


Title: Re: 68 woodgrain ash tray+dlx hubcaps
Post by: KurtS on September 25, 2019, 05:13:02 AM
Coming back to this.
Looking through the db, there's a pretty clear cutoff for LOS. January cars generally have black ashtrays, February cars (and a couple Jan cars) have woodgrain. NOR is surprisingly similar, but with a bit more mixed at the cutoff.
Real problem is the data isn't absolute - no telling what's been done to a car after 40-50 years. So that's as definitive as it may ever get...
Title: Re: 68 woodgrain ash tray+dlx hubcaps
Post by: TangoBravo on September 25, 2019, 12:29:55 PM
Must have been brought in with the Tet offensive ?!? #TetTray