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Re: GM silver for Rally wheels.
« Reply #45 on: November 01, 2013, 05:54:47 PM »
To the best of my recollection I paid around $400 to have a set of 4 rally wheels sand blasted and powder coated. 

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Re: GM silver for Rally wheels.
« Reply #46 on: November 01, 2013, 06:38:06 PM »
I would say between $200 and $400. I had a lot of pieces for my impala and Chevelle powder coated, and developed a good rapport with the powder coater. So I was able to work out deals for the same color pieces. Ex: bumper brackets, pulleys, upper and lower A arms.
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Re: GM silver for Rally wheels.
« Reply #47 on: November 01, 2013, 06:54:35 PM »
Thanks guys. I appreciated the input.
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Re: GM silver for Rally wheels.
« Reply #48 on: November 01, 2013, 08:06:19 PM »
When you guys mention scuffing the powder coating on rally wheels before painting them the correct GM argent silver what exactly do you mean?  I am guessing it is because the silver paint won't adhere properly to the smooth powder coating?  How much scuffing is just right and how much is too much?  Would you use a fine grit sandpaper to do it?  Thank you. 
It will stick to the powder, but I wouldn't want to chance it flaking off in the future, and as I have seen the powder coated finish has a bit of a orange peel look to it, so sanding would also help remove some of that. So then when you spray the silver it will appear more natural or more factory correct than just the powder alone.
As far as "scuffing" powder is pretty hard stuff, I think 400 or even 300 would be fine. I would start with the inside of the wheel and try a couple test spots that won't be seen to get your desired sanding and spray it let it dry and see how you like the appearance.
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Re: GM silver for Rally wheels.
« Reply #49 on: November 02, 2013, 12:28:48 AM »
Thanks for the input.

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Re: GM silver for Rally wheels.
« Reply #50 on: November 02, 2013, 03:46:15 AM »
Jim,

I think the same thing is true for all the Rallye wheels of the late '60's at least.    Gray paint was applied by Kelsey for 'service wheels', destined to be sold thru the dealerships, rather than production line parts.

What I meant to say is ALL (5) of my ORIG factory (LOS) installed 76kmi rallys wheel are KH gray on the back side. There is NO black. I have owned the car since 83. I am convinced my car was purchased with the similarly dated orig factory wheels.



FWIW Colvin Book FIG 17-8 1969 14x7 jj standard wheel Kelsey Hays drawing number 082153  seems to confirm that wheels were part numbered with varying finishes ,,,plain, rustproof oiled,,, primed KH spec 3323 black..,,,,
Interesting.
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Re: GM silver for Rally wheels.
« Reply #51 on: November 20, 2013, 06:07:27 AM »
I have seen other original Camaro wheels with gray backs.
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Re: GM silver for Rally wheels.
« Reply #52 on: November 20, 2013, 04:20:58 PM »
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FWIW Colvin Book FIG 17-8 1969 14x7 jj standard wheel Kelsey Hays drawing number 082153  seems to confirm that wheels were part numbered with varying finishes ,,,plain, rustproof oiled,,, primed KH spec 3323 black..,,,,
Interesting.

I don't have the Colvin book, but I'd love to see that KH drawing and part numbers; would it be possible to scan it and post the image here as a reference?
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Re: GM silver for Rally wheels.
« Reply #53 on: November 20, 2013, 04:41:35 PM »
Should be a number on the inside of the wheels ,very prevalent. White.

I've questioned before same number is on top of my fuel tank in red/orange and undersides of front fenders/cowl. I didn't see the ones on the front clip but my body man snapped shots.

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Re: GM silver for Rally wheels.
« Reply #54 on: February 21, 2014, 04:18:31 AM »
..... a set of powder coated wheels in the correct argent silver on my impala. While they will never rust I have a couple of issues with them. Along with the wheels and anything else as Gary mentioned powder coated items have a different sheen to them, so on the wheels it looks like a slight orange peel affect.

I had my wheels powder coated semi-gloss black on the back side and OD first (which is how they were originally), then argent silver on the front.  As far as I am concerned, they came out very nice.  Finish looks good to me.  Comparing them to my spare (which I did not powder coat - left original), the only difference I note is the difference between "new" color on my four wheels vs. a "45 year old color" on the spare.  The slight difference in sheen in my mind is simply a difference in age.

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Re: GM silver for Rally wheels.
« Reply #55 on: March 30, 2014, 02:50:28 PM »
Great looking wheel Rich !  Is the silver powder coated as well ?  If it is powder coated  was there any problem with the second bake on the  back side ?
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Re: GM silver for Rally wheels.
« Reply #56 on: March 31, 2014, 01:20:54 AM »
Chick,  When you were done with your wheels did you have any problems seeing the date codes. My problem is the stamping is so lite I feel a couple coats of paint will make them unreadable.
Sorry I missed this question originally! No, no problem on mine but in many cases its just masking off the area and keeping that area very light with paint.
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Re: GM silver for Rally wheels.
« Reply #57 on: March 31, 2014, 03:01:01 PM »

Does the standard procedure apply to YA SS wheels as well, were they masked/painted at the assembly plants, reason I ask is I have never see an original paint YA with anything other than gray on the reverse.
 
 
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Re: GM silver for Rally wheels.
« Reply #58 on: March 31, 2014, 03:33:13 PM »

Does the standard procedure apply to YA SS wheels as well, were they masked/painted at the assembly plants, reason I ask is I have never see an original paint YA with anything other than gray on the reverse.

I think you're seeing Service wheels, which were painted grey so they wouldn't rust in depot storage. Wheels were jammed by the thousands herringbone-style in rail cars, and if they were final-painted at Kelsey-Hayes, they'd have been badly nicked, chipped, and scratched before they ever got to the tire mount/balance equipment. You had to be there to understand what a rail car full of wheels looked like when they opened it.
 
 

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Re: GM silver for Rally wheels.
« Reply #59 on: April 02, 2014, 06:26:52 PM »
Great looking wheel Rich !  Is the silver powder coated as well ?  If it is powder coated  was there any problem with the second bake on the  back side ?

Silver is powder coated as well.  Powder coater didn't have any issue.  Did the OD and back first in semi gloss black and then the front in argent silver.
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