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Decoding/Numbers / Re: 124379N568290 - Possible Future Rebody
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Restoration / Re: What is meant by N44 versus Quick ratio
« Last post by David Pozzi on Today at 04:48:16 AM »I 've been following along and don't want to muddy the waters but how is the firebird different in that it uses a c shaped pitman arm?Firebird was pretty much the same as Camaro for 67/68 but in 69 it all changed. The center link has the joints, not the idler and pitman. So the Pitman, Idler, center link, are all different. As far as the steering arms, I don't know for sure, they look similar.
How is that? I drove my uncles 69 Trans Am RAIV back in the day and it had extremely quick power steering?
Here's a Firebird steering arm
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Restoration / Re: What is meant by N44 versus Quick ratio
« Last post by David Pozzi on Today at 04:45:28 AM »My '69 RS is nothing special, just a lowly plane jane, 210 hp base V8 Coupe with Powerglide and a 2.73:1 open rear end. Great car to cruise around in and get the heads turning but not a performance ride to say the least.Please verify outer arm length by measuring it from spindle centerline. Looking at your photos the arms look like long arms even though they have what should be short arm forging numbers. I haven't looked at steering arm photos for years so maybe I'm wrong but I would not rely 100% on just those forging numbers. There are long arms with "short" forging numbers.
From Mr. Pozzi's website and other postings on this site:
1969 Variable Ratio Power Steering; RPO N40 with Quick Ratio Steering RPO N44:
2.06 turns lock to lock
Utilized short outer steering arms and long pitman arm
16.1:1 on center
12.4:1 off center
14.3:1 overall over all ratio
OUTER STEERING ARM
Short Arm (Approximate 5.25" length between center of spindle to center of tie rod hole)
Left Hand part and casting number 3954875
Right Hand part and casting number 3954876
PITMAN ARM:
The pitman arm used for the fast ratio (RPO N44) steering option is approximately 5.8 long.
IDLER ARM
The 1968-69 models used an idler arm which is approximately 5.25" long.
Back in Feb 2004 when I was restoring the front suspension, I came across a surprise. Previously, on multiple occasions while out driving the car, I had noticed / verified that there is just a little over 2 turns of the steering wheel from lock to lock.
During front suspension disassembly and restoration I verified that the pitman arm is approximately 5.8" long and that I had the SHORT OUTER STEERING ARMS. Refer to the pictures. The first two are the left hand side, the last two are the right hand side.
Previously William posted: "2,161 [1969]Camaros were built with N44 special steering equipment....Perhaps half of N44 cars (1,080) were not Z-28."
Well, my poor ol' ride, for whatever reason, appears to be one of the approximately 1,080 non-Z28 1969 Camaros produced with the N40/N44 combination.
Stay Safe,
Richard
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Restoration / Re: What is meant by N44 versus Quick ratio
« Last post by TODD on Today at 04:36:31 AM »I 've been following along and don't want to muddy the waters but how is the firebird different in that it uses a c shaped pitman arm?
How is that? I drove my uncles 69 Trans Am RAIV back in the day and it had extremely quick power steering?
How is that? I drove my uncles 69 Trans Am RAIV back in the day and it had extremely quick power steering?
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Restoration / Re: What is meant by N44 versus Quick ratio
« Last post by David Pozzi on Today at 04:12:57 AM »I think your box casting number is going to be very common for 1969. Probably used by all manual steering gears across GM that use that mounting which is most cars. The stamped number is probably a date code. PS boxes have the date code stamped on the aluminum top cover.
I've wondered about the 69 Z28 special fast ratio steering option. Don't have any good info on it other than what I've read in Magazines. I don't have a 69 Service manual so had to make do with info here and there. I need to look it over again and see if I can improve it. I was trying to come up with what combo of box ratio, pitman arm length and outer steering arm length to create what ratio but the charts I made are just my best guess.
Note the part number of the worm and nut. My guess is that is an older part number as most Camaro parts start with a 7. I think that part was created for an earlier Corvette doing road racing and it fits the Camaro boxes. I just sold a 67 Camaro SS with manual box and it had a very fast box in it. I'm having the new owner see how many turns it is lock to lock but I recall it was around 2.25 to 2.5! It would take some muscle to park it! Many standard manual Camaro boxes are 6 to 7 turns.
The pitman arms were forged with part numbers on them so they broached a large hole for a PS shaft, and a smaller hole for a Manual system. There were long and short pitman arms for both PS and manual but now I don't think you can find a long pitman arm for a manual box unless Rare Parts has one.
The Steering arm part numbers in the parts manual do not always match the forging numbers. Can be a couple of numbers off. I ordered a pair back in 1971 and got the wrong arm by ordering the forging number. One was OK. Arms ending in an odd number are Left had side. Parts ending in an even number are Right Hand side.
67's used the long idler arm. 68/69 used the short idler. I have not seen a long idler arm on a 68 or 69. I think they were around 5.25" long. Replacements by Moog and others are 5.5" long and I think they split the difference between the long and short idler and pitman arm lengths.
I've wondered about the 69 Z28 special fast ratio steering option. Don't have any good info on it other than what I've read in Magazines. I don't have a 69 Service manual so had to make do with info here and there. I need to look it over again and see if I can improve it. I was trying to come up with what combo of box ratio, pitman arm length and outer steering arm length to create what ratio but the charts I made are just my best guess.
Note the part number of the worm and nut. My guess is that is an older part number as most Camaro parts start with a 7. I think that part was created for an earlier Corvette doing road racing and it fits the Camaro boxes. I just sold a 67 Camaro SS with manual box and it had a very fast box in it. I'm having the new owner see how many turns it is lock to lock but I recall it was around 2.25 to 2.5! It would take some muscle to park it! Many standard manual Camaro boxes are 6 to 7 turns.
The pitman arms were forged with part numbers on them so they broached a large hole for a PS shaft, and a smaller hole for a Manual system. There were long and short pitman arms for both PS and manual but now I don't think you can find a long pitman arm for a manual box unless Rare Parts has one.
The Steering arm part numbers in the parts manual do not always match the forging numbers. Can be a couple of numbers off. I ordered a pair back in 1971 and got the wrong arm by ordering the forging number. One was OK. Arms ending in an odd number are Left had side. Parts ending in an even number are Right Hand side.
67's used the long idler arm. 68/69 used the short idler. I have not seen a long idler arm on a 68 or 69. I think they were around 5.25" long. Replacements by Moog and others are 5.5" long and I think they split the difference between the long and short idler and pitman arm lengths.
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Restoration / Re: 69 Comfortweave Upholstery
« Last post by 69Z28-RS on Today at 03:57:58 AM »From what I've read/heard from others looking for 'comfortweave' reproduction seat covers, the material they sell today is 'stamped' to 'appear' close to the comfortweave look, but does not 'breathe' ... it's flat vinyl with a pattern stamped/heated into it...
The original 'comfortweave' was just that ... woven.. and it 'breathed'... thus it was comfortable...
The original 'comfortweave' was just that ... woven.. and it 'breathed'... thus it was comfortable...
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General Discussion / Re: 1969 Z-28 special manual steering box
« Last post by VINCE Z28 on Today at 03:38:31 AM »WOW my heads still spinning... thanks Ed
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Restoration / 69 Comfortweave Upholstery
« Last post by 69RALLYSPORTZ28 on Today at 03:08:51 AM »I read that the equipment used to produce the GM Comfortweave upholstery was destroyed in the 1995 earthquake in Kyoto, Japan.
Has anyone found a source for an exact match to the GM Comfortweave or a source with inventory from before the earthquake?
Has anyone compared their original Comfortweave to upholstery from Rick's Camaro?
The website says " The comfortweave pattern on these seat covers is as close to original as can be made".
Has anyone found a source for an exact match to the GM Comfortweave or a source with inventory from before the earthquake?
Has anyone compared their original Comfortweave to upholstery from Rick's Camaro?
The website says " The comfortweave pattern on these seat covers is as close to original as can be made".
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Originality / Correct Factory Location of Engine Decals
« Last post by gwp4 on Today at 02:22:18 AM »Hi First Gen Camaro drivers:
For judging competition, Im interested in the correct location for the Air Cleaner Service, Anti-freeze Thermostat, and Emission decals on a base-model 1968 Camaro 327/210 hp with A.I.R. equipment, no a/c, and manual transmission. Ive attached a couple of old photos of my engine bay (its been significantly rehabilitated since the photos) to help identify the decals/locations. Many thanks. gwp4
For judging competition, Im interested in the correct location for the Air Cleaner Service, Anti-freeze Thermostat, and Emission decals on a base-model 1968 Camaro 327/210 hp with A.I.R. equipment, no a/c, and manual transmission. Ive attached a couple of old photos of my engine bay (its been significantly rehabilitated since the photos) to help identify the decals/locations. Many thanks. gwp4
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Garage Talk / Re: some progress
« Last post by 69Z28-RS on Today at 01:37:52 AM »Ossie Delay worked as a Fire Investigator for Cherokee Cty, GA and lived in the Alpharetta / Woodstock areas during the 70's thru 80's.. He and one of his good friends (whose name I'm not recalling right now) did some local racing in the area there, and Ossie became acquainted with my friend Bob Christiansen (who raced a '69 Z28 in SCCA/TransAm thru the early 70's and then a later model Camaro in IMSA-GT. When Bob Christiansen went from SCCA to IMSA-FT and changed Camaros, Ossie and his friend in GA bought the '69 Z28 TA car and raced is locally some before selling the car to a Dentist/Doctor in the Chattanooga area. They kept two sets of Magnesium wheels and an OTC disk brake rear which I bought from them in the early 80's...
I met Ossie a few times back in those days and the name you mentioned was so *close*, I had to ask..
I met Ossie a few times back in those days and the name you mentioned was so *close*, I had to ask..