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Decoding/Numbers / Re: Caveat tag?
« Last post by BULLITT65 on March 24, 2017, 02:15:08 AM »
The owner of the car reached out to me the last time it was for sale. I offered my opinion at his request and informed him of all the issues I found with the car. He stated he had gotten a differing opinion from a known Camaro expert/ business in MI. It was not HBC just for clarification.
I actually contacted the ebay seller (who says he is helping a friend), and let him know that there were some discrepancies.  I told him I was not an expert, but I suggested he contact Jerry or Steve, and that I thought they were both reputable experts. (Thanks Steve)
Foreign Camaros / Re: my 67 Yutivo
« Last post by BULLITT65 on March 24, 2017, 02:06:48 AM »
wow, wtg go on the resto!
how much does a 67 Yutivo RS go for over there (finished or not)?
General Discussion / Re: I'm pretty sure this is illegal.
« Last post by camaronut on March 24, 2017, 02:06:25 AM »
Even-though my better sense tells me different, I've gotta open my mouth on this here we go.

I have a friend who has a 69 Z, all numbers match bleh bleh bleh........

When he bought the car, it was virtually a pretzel. There wasn't a straight panel anywhere on this car. Everything was either bent or twisted....even the firewall and dash were bent like a "V".  The car was involved in a unfair meeting with a huge tree on the drivers-side - inward.  Don't ask about the wasn't good.

He asked me and a few of us Camaro guys, who know the cars and what it takes to restore them.  We told him to walk away, unless you thinking of doing a rebody.  Nope.....he was going to save this car.  We knew he was in trouble...but he wouldn't listen.

Well, 3 body shops and $60K later, he has a body that is still not right, nothing lines up. For example we tried installing the rear window.  No luck.  The sill that the window rests against was about 1/2" off all around the perimeter.  I never saw a grown man cry over a restoration...but he has finally called it quits and now has nothing to show for $60K.  Every panel on this car was replaced with either Dynacorn or AMD ( I know....not a good idea) metal.  This car is a confabulation of new metal.  The only thing original is the firewall.

He now admits that he should have walked away, and kept looking.  Thankfully he has a VERY understanding wife.

So now, he's saving up the money to buy a full body kit and hopefully get things rolling again on his restoration (which is now a replacement).

I get the reason why he wanted to save this car.  He wanted to do the right thing, but got stung badly by restorations shops that had no clue.

Now, I'm not advocating using these Dynacorn bodies (I'm not a big fan of it - it's an option), but TO ME, you have to draw the line between what is / isn't sensible.

Foreign Camaros / Re: my 67 Yutivo
« Last post by Claus on March 24, 2017, 01:57:19 AM »
Cool ride..  I picked up a set of the same caps for one of my cars..

Thanks, the car has gone through quite a transformation from when i found it:

Decoding/Numbers / Re: Caveat tag?
« Last post by BillOhio on March 24, 2017, 12:53:31 AM »
What got me is the date on the pop of the transmission does match the transmission. How could the pop and the car be made months before the transmission. Amazing!!
General Discussion / Re: I'm pretty sure this is illegal.
« Last post by Mike S on March 24, 2017, 12:52:36 AM »
 Ya know....after reading these replies and realizing how far changes can be done before crossing that gray area brought to mind how this practice exists in other areas. Where I live, if a builder wants to put a new structure on property that has an existing structure, if they tear down the structure but leave up only one original wall, the the new replacement structure is considered a 'restoration'. This prevents the need for filing for additional permits, paperwork and variances that a totally new building would require. The same when I had my in-ground pool 'restored' last year. I left one original part of the support structure intact and an entire new pool was built around it and I avoided having to file for permits and variances (the pool was grandfathered in the 80's when local zoning changed). This work too was considered a 'restoration'. If I had removed the entire structure then it would be considered new construction, so leaving an original part intact made it a 'restoration'. Sound familiar?

General Discussion / Re: Repro fuel tank packaging?
« Last post by 69 Zee on March 24, 2017, 12:41:28 AM »
You can buy a Spectra tank through Amazon with free shipping. Amazon has excellent return policies. I do not deal with anyone who does not take responsibility for shipping damage.
Bought one off Amazon and was very pleased with condition.  Paid $112.13 out the door w/tax and free shipping.  But anything can happen during shipping, why I'd want to be able to return it...just saying.
Decoding/Numbers / Re: Caveat tag?
« Last post by z28z11 on March 24, 2017, 12:34:05 AM »
Man, that tag is crisp and tall. Wish the Addressographs in the day were that precise, but then what would distinguish them nowadays ?

Nonetheless, still pretty -

General Discussion / Re: I'm pretty sure this is illegal.
« Last post by Mark on March 24, 2017, 12:29:25 AM »
Technically the dynacorn body is a repair part.  It was never part of a GM manufactured vehicle and never had a VIN of its own.  It is a replacement for a failed component, either thru rust or damage.  It is a very fine line but legally its no different than a replacement fender in the grand scheme of things.  It is totally illegal to swap a VIN from one GM manufactured body that had a VIN assigned for your damaged GM manufactured body because both were originally part of a complete vehicle built by GM in compliance with the regulations of the day.  Not saying it is right or wrong, just that it can be done without going to jail.  Does it affect the value of said repaired vehicle when your done? You bet it does and it should be disclosed but probably isn't most times.
General Discussion / Re: Ummmmmmm Huuuuhhhhhhh.....
« Last post by z28z11 on March 24, 2017, 12:13:14 AM »
You're right - the stories -

If the owner bought every part for the car in NOS, he ought to have a bigger pile than what he shows.

Hope he bought some NOS bumper guards to replace the ones removed when they installed the 'wheel covers'. Are those flat top pistons I spy in the (original?) block sitting upright ? Maybe just my old eyes -

I apologize - not nice to down somebody's Camaro he is obviously proud of - plus, my favorite paint code. But then again, the stories - how many of us at 15 or 16 years old were driving around in a 425 horse 66 Vette looking for a Camaro to buy ? Or is my math worse than my vision ?

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