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« on: June 09, 2006, 11:54:25 AM »

I'm just about to repaint my 69 Hugger Orange SS 396 car. Car has white SS stripes and ivory/black interior.

Currently, the cowl plenum area (area under cowl panel where the wiper linkage is located) is painted body color with the wiper linkage also painted body color.

How was this area painted originally? I saw a post wherein it was claimed the wiper transmission was installed after the body was painted but then I'm confused about whether or not the cowl and transmission linkage was blacked out or not?
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« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2006, 02:33:47 PM »

I can assure you that the wiper linkage was installed WAY after the body was painted (Fisher Body painted the body, and Chevrolet installed the wiper linkage, which was received painted black from the supplier). The Fisher Body paint specs indicated that the plenum area below the wiper linkage was supposed to be blacked-out, but sometimes it was done, sometimes it wasn't. Wiper linkage any other color than black indicates that the car has been repainted without masking off the linkage.
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« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2006, 01:15:45 PM »

JohnZ was the wiper transmission area to be blacked out on all cars except white stripe Z's where it was whited out?
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« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2006, 01:46:27 PM »

Would be nice to hear from other owners of original paint cars. I was contacted by one last night where the cowl area was clearly body color and the wiper transmission ass'y was black.
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« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2006, 09:30:53 PM »

On several unrestored 69Z, Norwood cars that I have seen, the cowl well area is body color.  At Norwood, the cowl panel was not removed when the Z28 stripes were applied.  The strip paint over sprayed into the well area, over the phostphate black wiper linkage and sometimes over sprayed out from the front edges of the cowl panel.

Attached are pics from an unrestored 69 Pace car. I hope to meet up with the owner of this car again to further photo document this car.
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« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2006, 05:38:09 AM »

At Norwood, the cowl panel was not removed when the Z28 stripes were applied.  The strip paint over sprayed into the well area, over the phostphate black wiper linkage and sometimes over sprayed out from the front edges of the cowl panel.

Please refer to the statement by JohnZ above...  the wiper linkage was NOT painted. It was not even installed in the fisher plant.
Also the first gen assembly process is well documented by the CRG... here is the link http://www.camaros.org/assemblyprocess.shtml

Here is a pic of an unrestored original paint 04C Norwood built 69 Z.
I have MANY more of the cowl with and with out the cowl grille installed. Tell me what you want to see and I will post them.
The Vin# stamped in the top of the cowl under the grille was stamped after the white paint was applied... the stamping chipped the paint and then it appears as though a clear coat or a glue was brushed over the top where the paint was chipped to keep the chipped places from rusting.
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« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2006, 11:58:19 PM »

In this one you can clearly see where the VIN stamp chipped the paint and then something was applied to protect the bare metal.
This is obviously an original paint car....
Also Note that the dash color was sprayed after the exterior paint and the stripe white out.
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« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2006, 04:50:36 AM »

Actually, the car got painted a couple of months ago, shortly after I made the initial posting. Cowl area and wiper transmission assemblies were done consistent with feedback from owners of original paint cars and experts such as those here online and others like Macneish. This is the only picture I have of the work in progress:

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« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2006, 07:54:09 AM »

Lookin Good   Smiley
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« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2006, 10:19:57 PM »

Based on my experience in restoration, and looking at firstgen's first pic, I would have to disagree that the wiper trans arms were phosphated.  I have always found fairly glossy paint on the arms, and the pic above shows the same.
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« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2006, 10:26:43 PM »

Now I am really confused. It was my impression that the cowl was painted body color and then had the Z/28 stripe color painted on the cowl under the area of the cowl panel that received the stripe. Huh
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« Reply #11 on: September 18, 2006, 10:34:37 PM »

thats what i thought as well.
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« Reply #12 on: September 18, 2006, 10:37:49 PM »

Heck, Dave, the wiper transmission on my '68 is gray phosphate--go figure...chuckle. But I can't speak for the '69s. When I took my '68 apart, the cowl area was body-color turquoise overspray over the sealer and hadn't been blacked out. My 2 cents. 
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« Reply #13 on: September 18, 2006, 11:06:24 PM »

Heck, Dave, the wiper transmission on my '68 is gray phosphate--go figure...chuckle.

You might be correct there.  I havent built a 68 in quite a while.  All of the 69s I've done recently were clearly black paint, not Ph.  Pretty difficult to mistake the two.

As far as the cowl area, Ive found body color except for a recent black stripe 69 Z that was blacked out under the cowl panel.  Have seen an original paint 69 PC that was orange under the cowl.
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« Reply #14 on: September 19, 2006, 07:48:15 PM »

Now I am really confused. It was my impression that the cowl was painted body color and then had the Z/28 stripe color painted on the cowl under the area of the cowl panel that received the stripe.  Huh

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