Author Topic: 69 X77 code Camaro Many fact questions.  (Read 10923 times)

Tinkerr

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Re: 69 X77 code Camaro Many fact questions.
« Reply #15 on: December 14, 2005, 07:53:47 AM »
heres a web sight that is quite informative on camaro steering power and strong arm.    http://www.pozziracing.com/camaro_steering.htm

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Re: 69 X77 code Camaro Many fact questions.
« Reply #16 on: February 19, 2006, 08:56:39 AM »
Learn something new every day. Sorry for my wrong information. A whole lot of people out there believe the steering gears were different for quick ratio, that was including myself, what You say makes sense, I will have to crawl under mine to check it out. My steering whell turns 2 and barely over an eighth turns lock to lock. Although I hadn't went as far as checking my spindles evrything lookes fine but I haven.t delved into looking close Yet. Again I apologize for my previous statements

John,
Does this mean the Z/28's had steering knuckle arms shorter than all other Camaros?
Can you verify that Z/28's had faster power steering ratios than all other Camaros?

I have heard about a Z/28 only "Special Fast" steering that was faster than the normal Camaro N44 steering. I'm looking for doccumentation.

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Re: 69 X77 code Camaro Many fact questions.
« Reply #17 on: February 19, 2006, 06:40:14 PM »
69 Z/28 and SS cars built with N40 had the same ratio acomplished by a longer pitman arm and shorter steering arms. There was only 1 power steering gear used for all 1969 Camaros.

Z/28 equipment included fast ratio steering, again acomplished by linkage changes. The gear was the same manual gear used on any other non-ps Camaro. Apparently it was possible to order a Z/28 with N44 for an even faster ratio; I have seen it on a Z/28 window sticker and assume it is the 17:1 gear mentioned in the Jan 1970 Car Life article on the Penske Camaros. Why anyone would want that escapes me. Standard manual steering is bad enough.

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Re: 69 X77 code Camaro Many fact questions.
« Reply #18 on: February 19, 2006, 07:13:18 PM »
William,
There was a special manual box that was very fast. I have a 67 SS350  with manual steering, long pitman, shortest outer arms, it has just over 2.25 turns lock to lock.!

I've read that the Z/28 when ordered with N40/ N44 fast Power steering either came with steering that was even faster, or optional "Special fast" steering.

Below is what was available for 1969 N40/N44  Camaros.  What might be missing is, that regular camaros got "Standard" non-variable PS probably 17 to 1, then ratio 1 was the regular N40/N44, number 2 was a Z/28 ONLY option, - the SPECIAL FAST ratio. Does this sound right?  I think GM only used variable ratio steering boxes as optional equipment, not standard equipment.

   1. REGULAR VARIABLE POWER STEERING 1969, N40-N44,1969-16.1:1 on center, 12.4:1 off center, 15.5:1 overall
    2. N44 FAST VARIABLE RATIO POWER STEERING N40-N44, 1969 16.1:1 on center, 12.4:1 off center, 14.3:1 overall  (Z/28 only?)
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Re: 69 X77 code Camaro Many fact questions.
« Reply #19 on: February 20, 2006, 05:53:10 AM »
In 69 Camaros, all with PS has the variable ratio box. There was no non-variable box available.

I'll have to dig on the other stuff.
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Re: 69 X77 code Camaro Many fact questions.
« Reply #20 on: February 21, 2006, 06:12:22 AM »
Kurt,
Thanks,   Back when these cars were new, I read that when you ordered Power Steering on a Z/28, there was not only the N44 but a "special fast" N44. Now years later I have a couple of pages from  the GM parts book and info gathered from the forums that cannot confirm any such thing.   There was a fast ratio manual steering supposedly only for the Z/28, but I have a 67 SS350  that has the same fast steering, it's not a Z/28 - only option, apparently. The lock to lock for this 67 is just over 2.25 turns.