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Original Born with Battery Trays LOS NOR
« on: January 16, 2017, 10:12:27 PM »
Subject- Original born with Battery Trays found on 67-69 Camaro’s from LOS & NOR.
Realize many CRG members spend time on other Camaro websites but not everybody and thought this was a worthwhile subject to make sure it is documented and hopefully placed in the “Pictures and information of original details” section. Information on how this subject matter came up from MCACN show can be found in my build thread:
http://www.camaros.net/forums/133-build-projects/182584-time-another-68-z-28-restored-85.html
Special thank you to Steve who was able to show me examples of what is normally observed while inspecting original survivor type Camaro’s in Vintage Certification. Examining what is unique to original born with compared to GM service replacements include some things that can be seen and some not when installed.
Most noticeable is a tab where the battery hold down clamp bolts on. Please note I have not seen this tab on any service replacement battery tray to date and have observed some old ones on ebay for sale. A few examples including one Steve posted-


Darrell’s 03D 68 NOR L78


Danny’s 05E 68 NOR Z/28


Jerry’s 07C 68 NOR Z/28


Skip’s 07D 68 NOR Z/28


Steve showed this 01C 69 LOS


06A 69 by Yenko’s SSL78


Skip’s 09D 69 NOR Z/28


Now compare that tab area to this NOS service replacement. Different design!


The service replacements have the nuts used to bolt the tray in place from the bottom oriented straight. On every original born with tray so far each of the two nuts are oriented the same but each one is oriented differently from the other (see 01C 69 for good view).  Look at the tab of the examples and note how each one’s tab tapers from one end to the other.
Can anyone add to this? Here is a simple chart of examples which includes Jon's 67 low mileage take off which has correct oriented nuts.
67               Jon’s 1100 mile take off-No Tab- Has angled nuts
67 11A LOS Has tab but not as pronounced as many. Robert
68 03D NOR Has tab Darrell
68 05E LOS Has tab Danny
68 06A NOR Has tab DaveV
68 07C NOR Has tab JerryG
68 07D NOR Has tab Skip
69        LOS  Has tab Mike1971
69        NOR Has tab Mike1971
69 11A NOR No tab Has angled nuts & orig. battery hold down clamp. Noyenko
69               Has tab but not as pronounced as many. Noyenko
69 01C NOR Has tab Jude
69 02D NOR Has tab SteveS
69 03B NOR Has tab SteveS
69 09A NOR Has tab (late built) Robert
69 09D NOR Has tab (late built) Skip
Chick
68 Z/28 NOR 01B Orig motor/trans/rear
69 Z/28 NOR 07A Orig Block & GM Cross-ram/carbs
69 L34 Rest. Nova Father/Son Car
69 L78 Surv Nova Purch 4/69 31K miles
67 L89 Corv Tribute
68 Corv 427/400 Orig motor
07 Corv Z06
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Re: Original Born with Battery Trays LOS NOR
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2017, 10:22:19 PM »
This old Gen II battery tray has a small tab also it seems.
Chick
68 Z/28 NOR 01B Orig motor/trans/rear
69 Z/28 NOR 07A Orig Block & GM Cross-ram/carbs
69 L34 Rest. Nova Father/Son Car
69 L78 Surv Nova Purch 4/69 31K miles
67 L89 Corv Tribute
68 Corv 427/400 Orig motor
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Re: Original Born with Battery Trays LOS NOR
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2017, 11:40:14 PM »
08C (late 69) Norwood has the tab.  :)
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Re: Original Born with Battery Trays LOS NOR
« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2017, 01:07:17 AM »
I'II reply with pics Friday, swamped this week.
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Re: Original Born with Battery Trays LOS NOR
« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2017, 07:25:15 PM »
Original trays with the tab and also the original style hold downs are a judged standard in Legends

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Re: Original Born with Battery Trays LOS NOR
« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2017, 04:03:34 AM »
Original trays with the tab and also the original style hold downs are a judged standard in Legends
Wonder how restored cars are finding original battery trays with tabs? I have not found one NOS tray that has a tab and again some have been very old NOS service replacements. Do you know when Legends made this tray their judging standard? I'm assuming its been in recent years similar to the battery hold down clamp?
Might be a good place with the battery tray to display the correct battery hold down which can be difficult to find along with the bolt with large 7/8" diameter captured washer used to fasten clamp to tray. These first two clamps clearly show how they came from the factory as they were removed shortly after leaving Norwood. They were dip painted a semi-gloss black color. I have found many are stamped with a "K", but have found "C" and one was clearly not stamped.
 





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68 Z/28 NOR 01B Orig motor/trans/rear
69 Z/28 NOR 07A Orig Block & GM Cross-ram/carbs
69 L34 Rest. Nova Father/Son Car
69 L78 Surv Nova Purch 4/69 31K miles
67 L89 Corv Tribute
68 Corv 427/400 Orig motor
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Re: Original Born with Battery Trays LOS NOR
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2017, 04:37:34 AM »
 My 67 LOS and NOR have the original 'dimple' hold-down clamps. The LOS is stamped with K and the NOR with C. Maybe different geographic suppliers? When I restored the NOR clamp recently, after using body solder to fill in the pits, I actually dipped it into GM Reconditioning black twice to get that smooth texture free look.

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Re: Original Born with Battery Trays LOS NOR
« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2017, 01:26:17 PM »
My 67 LOS and NOR have the original 'dimple' hold-down clamps. The LOS is stamped with K and the NOR with C. Maybe different geographic suppliers? When I restored the NOR clamp recently, after using body solder to fill in the pits, I actually dipped it into GM Reconditioning black twice to get that smooth texture free look.

Mike
Mike, can you report on your battery trays if possible? Glad you had your original clamps as they can be hard to find as they got ate up by the battery over time. Know they were used across the board on other GM products as our 67 Corvette has one as well.
Chick
68 Z/28 NOR 01B Orig motor/trans/rear
69 Z/28 NOR 07A Orig Block & GM Cross-ram/carbs
69 L34 Rest. Nova Father/Son Car
69 L78 Surv Nova Purch 4/69 31K miles
67 L89 Corv Tribute
68 Corv 427/400 Orig motor
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Re: Original Born with Battery Trays LOS NOR
« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2017, 03:58:45 AM »
Here is a NOS #3887588 and note the stamping that I picked up a couple years ago when Stahl's went out of business. The clamps noted so far on cars have had a single letter stamped. Has anyone noted this stamped battery hold down on a GM car?


Chick
68 Z/28 NOR 01B Orig motor/trans/rear
69 Z/28 NOR 07A Orig Block & GM Cross-ram/carbs
69 L34 Rest. Nova Father/Son Car
69 L78 Surv Nova Purch 4/69 31K miles
67 L89 Corv Tribute
68 Corv 427/400 Orig motor
07 Corv Z06
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Re: Original Born with Battery Trays LOS NOR
« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2017, 06:11:20 PM »
Thanks to Chick for initiating this thread on 'battery trays' and hold downs/nuts etc..  :)

I couldn't remember what mine was; hadn't looked at it closely since I purchased a GM replacement for my 'rusty' battery tray after purchasing the car in the 76 timeframe...  Just went and looked...  doesn't have the tab as shown for that period cars...

So I suppose I need to 'look' for a replacement that is 'original', or at least 'original appearing'.   Ebay didn't have any originals, although a few later OEM NOS parts (without the tab) were out there.  I did see several reproductions (advertised correct- aren't they all?).. :)  , but several did have the 'tab' as shown by Chick on some original parts...

Is there a specific reproduction vendor that would be recommended if I wanted to replace my 'replacement' tray with a more correct one - with the tab?   Here are a few examples...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Battery-Tray-67-69-Camaro-Firebird-OE-repro-CORRECT-In-Stock-/270594522484?hash=item3f00b0bd74:g:iYUAAOSw-jhUDyE~&vxp=mtr

http://www.ebay.com/itm/AMD-66-Chevelle-El-Camino-67-69-Camaro-Firebird-Battery-Tray-340-3466-/351733531231?hash=item51e4f3c25f:g:L0wAAOSwSgJXNm1E&vxp=mtr

http://www.ebay.com/itm/66-Chevelle-El-Camino-67-69-Camaro-Firebird-Battery-Tray-/332093794873?hash=item4d52552a39:g:eqMAAOSwAKxWYGjA&vxp=mtr

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1967-69-Chevrolet-Camaro-Pontiac-Firebird-Battery-Tray-GM-NOS-Clone-/331069061327?hash=item4d1540f8cf:g:aG0AAOSwvg9XUhN4&vxp=mtr

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Re: Original Born with Battery Trays LOS NOR
« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2017, 12:58:47 AM »
Thanks to Chick for initiating this thread on 'battery trays' and hold downs/nuts etc..  :)

I couldn't remember what mine was; hadn't looked at it closely since I purchased a GM replacement for my 'rusty' battery tray after purchasing the car in the 76 timeframe...  Just went and looked...  doesn't have the tab as shown for that period cars...

So I suppose I need to 'look' for a replacement that is 'original', or at least 'original appearing'.   Ebay didn't have any originals, although a few later OEM NOS parts (without the tab) were out there.  I did see several reproductions (advertised correct- aren't they all?).. :)  , but several did have the 'tab' as shown by Chick on some original parts...

Is there a specific reproduction vendor that would be recommended if I wanted to replace my 'replacement' tray with a more correct one - with the tab?   Here are a few examples...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Battery-Tray-67-69-Camaro-Firebird-OE-repro-CORRECT-In-Stock-/270594522484?hash=item3f00b0bd74:g:iYUAAOSw-jhUDyE~&vxp=mtr

http://www.ebay.com/itm/AMD-66-Chevelle-El-Camino-67-69-Camaro-Firebird-Battery-Tray-340-3466-/351733531231?hash=item51e4f3c25f:g:L0wAAOSwSgJXNm1E&vxp=mtr

http://www.ebay.com/itm/66-Chevelle-El-Camino-67-69-Camaro-Firebird-Battery-Tray-/332093794873?hash=item4d52552a39:g:eqMAAOSwAKxWYGjA&vxp=mtr

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1967-69-Chevrolet-Camaro-Pontiac-Firebird-Battery-Tray-GM-NOS-Clone-/331069061327?hash=item4d1540f8cf:g:aG0AAOSwvg9XUhN4&vxp=mtr



Thanks Gary! The best and only repro that has the tab and is very correct looking in several areas is the AMD battery tray being sold by several vendors and more jumping on board. Find your best price on the AMD tray and go for it.
Chick
68 Z/28 NOR 01B Orig motor/trans/rear
69 Z/28 NOR 07A Orig Block & GM Cross-ram/carbs
69 L34 Rest. Nova Father/Son Car
69 L78 Surv Nova Purch 4/69 31K miles
67 L89 Corv Tribute
68 Corv 427/400 Orig motor
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Re: Original Born with Battery Trays LOS NOR
« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2017, 02:34:04 AM »
Thanks Chick.. :)    that isn't surprising as AMD has more correct parts on almost all metal items that I've looked at......  I'll follow your advice.. :)

Gary
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Re: Original Born with Battery Trays LOS NOR
« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2017, 02:37:25 AM »
Updated list:
67               Jon’s 1100 mile take off-No Tab- Has angled nuts
67 11A LOS Has tab but not as pronounced as many. Robert
68 03D NOR Has tab Darrell
68 05E NOR Has tab Danny
68 06A NOR Has tab DaveV
68 07C NOR Has tab JerryG
68 07D NOR Has tab Skip
69        LOS  Has tab Mike1971
69        NOR Has tab Mike1971
69 11A NOR No tab Has angled nuts & orig. battery hold down clamp. Noyenko
69               Has tab but not as pronounced as many. Noyenko
69 01C NOR Has tab Jude
69 02D NOR Has tab SteveS
69 03B NOR Has tab SteveS
69 08C NOR Has tab Bullitt65
69 09A NOR Has tab (late built) Robert
69 09D NOR Has tab (late built) Skip
Chick
68 Z/28 NOR 01B Orig motor/trans/rear
69 Z/28 NOR 07A Orig Block & GM Cross-ram/carbs
69 L34 Rest. Nova Father/Son Car
69 L78 Surv Nova Purch 4/69 31K miles
67 L89 Corv Tribute
68 Corv 427/400 Orig motor
07 Corv Z06
R 68Z build- http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=182584

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Re: Original Born with Battery Trays LOS NOR
« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2017, 02:54:14 PM »
 Im not sure if this helps since I dont own it anymore, but this was the tray in my LOS 10c of 1968 built 69RS  I sanded and painted it with POR black but I dont have pics of it all cleaned up, just this one photo before I detailed it. Fun topic to follow. :)
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Re: Original Born with Battery Trays LOS NOR
« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2017, 03:05:43 PM »
 I was looking at pictures of the AMD reproduction battery tray and it sure looks very accurate. It even has the rectangular nuts though the welded in position isn't the same.

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