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Original Born with Battery Trays LOS NOR
« on: January 16, 2017, 10:12:27 PM »
Subject- Original born with Battery Trays found on 67-69 Camaro’s from LOS & NOR.
Realize many CRG members spend time on other Camaro websites but not everybody and thought this was a worthwhile subject to make sure it is documented and hopefully placed in the “Pictures and information of original details” section. Information on how this subject matter came up from MCACN show can be found in my build thread:
http://www.camaros.net/forums/133-build-projects/182584-time-another-68-z-28-restored-85.html
Special thank you to Steve who was able to show me examples of what is normally observed while inspecting original survivor type Camaro’s in Vintage Certification. Examining what is unique to original born with compared to GM service replacements include some things that can be seen and some not when installed.
Most noticeable is a tab where the battery hold down clamp bolts on. Please note I have not seen this tab on any service replacement battery tray to date and have observed some old ones on ebay for sale. A few examples including one Steve posted-


Darrell’s 03D 68 NOR L78


Danny’s 05E 68 NOR Z/28


Jerry’s 07C 68 NOR Z/28


Skip’s 07D 68 NOR Z/28


Steve showed this 01C 69 LOS


06A 69 by Yenko’s SSL78


Skip’s 09D 69 NOR Z/28


Now compare that tab area to this NOS service replacement. Different design!


The service replacements have the nuts used to bolt the tray in place from the bottom oriented straight. On every original born with tray so far each of the two nuts are oriented the same but each one is oriented differently from the other (see 01C 69 for good view).  Look at the tab of the examples and note how each one’s tab tapers from one end to the other.
Can anyone add to this? Here is a simple chart of examples which includes Jon's 67 low mileage take off which has correct oriented nuts.
67               Jon’s 1100 mile take off-No Tab- Has angled nuts
67 11A LOS Has tab but not as pronounced as many. Robert
68 03D NOR Has tab Darrell
68 05E LOS Has tab Danny
68 06A NOR Has tab DaveV
68 07C NOR Has tab JerryG
68 07D NOR Has tab Skip
69        LOS  Has tab Mike1971
69        NOR Has tab Mike1971
69 11A NOR No tab Has angled nuts & orig. battery hold down clamp. Noyenko
69               Has tab but not as pronounced as many. Noyenko
69 01C NOR Has tab Jude
69 02D NOR Has tab SteveS
69 03B NOR Has tab SteveS
69 09A NOR Has tab (late built) Robert
69 09D NOR Has tab (late built) Skip
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Re: Original Born with Battery Trays LOS NOR
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2017, 10:22:19 PM »
This old Gen II battery tray has a small tab also it seems.
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Re: Original Born with Battery Trays LOS NOR
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2017, 11:40:14 PM »
08C (late 69) Norwood has the tab.  :)
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Re: Original Born with Battery Trays LOS NOR
« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2017, 01:07:17 AM »
I'II reply with pics Friday, swamped this week.
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Re: Original Born with Battery Trays LOS NOR
« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2017, 07:25:15 PM »
Original trays with the tab and also the original style hold downs are a judged standard in Legends

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Re: Original Born with Battery Trays LOS NOR
« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2017, 04:03:34 AM »
Original trays with the tab and also the original style hold downs are a judged standard in Legends
Wonder how restored cars are finding original battery trays with tabs? I have not found one NOS tray that has a tab and again some have been very old NOS service replacements. Do you know when Legends made this tray their judging standard? I'm assuming its been in recent years similar to the battery hold down clamp?
Might be a good place with the battery tray to display the correct battery hold down which can be difficult to find along with the bolt with large 7/8" diameter captured washer used to fasten clamp to tray. These first two clamps clearly show how they came from the factory as they were removed shortly after leaving Norwood. They were dip painted a semi-gloss black color. I have found many are stamped with a "K", but have found "C" and one was clearly not stamped.
 





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Re: Original Born with Battery Trays LOS NOR
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2017, 04:37:34 AM »
 My 67 LOS and NOR have the original 'dimple' hold-down clamps. The LOS is stamped with K and the NOR with C. Maybe different geographic suppliers? When I restored the NOR clamp recently, after using body solder to fill in the pits, I actually dipped it into GM Reconditioning black twice to get that smooth texture free look.

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Re: Original Born with Battery Trays LOS NOR
« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2017, 01:26:17 PM »
My 67 LOS and NOR have the original 'dimple' hold-down clamps. The LOS is stamped with K and the NOR with C. Maybe different geographic suppliers? When I restored the NOR clamp recently, after using body solder to fill in the pits, I actually dipped it into GM Reconditioning black twice to get that smooth texture free look.

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Mike, can you report on your battery trays if possible? Glad you had your original clamps as they can be hard to find as they got ate up by the battery over time. Know they were used across the board on other GM products as our 67 Corvette has one as well.
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Re: Original Born with Battery Trays LOS NOR
« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2017, 03:58:45 AM »
Here is a NOS #3887588 and note the stamping that I picked up a couple years ago when Stahl's went out of business. The clamps noted so far on cars have had a single letter stamped. Has anyone noted this stamped battery hold down on a GM car?


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Re: Original Born with Battery Trays LOS NOR
« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2017, 06:11:20 PM »
Thanks to Chick for initiating this thread on 'battery trays' and hold downs/nuts etc..  :)

I couldn't remember what mine was; hadn't looked at it closely since I purchased a GM replacement for my 'rusty' battery tray after purchasing the car in the 76 timeframe...  Just went and looked...  doesn't have the tab as shown for that period cars...

So I suppose I need to 'look' for a replacement that is 'original', or at least 'original appearing'.   Ebay didn't have any originals, although a few later OEM NOS parts (without the tab) were out there.  I did see several reproductions (advertised correct- aren't they all?).. :)  , but several did have the 'tab' as shown by Chick on some original parts...

Is there a specific reproduction vendor that would be recommended if I wanted to replace my 'replacement' tray with a more correct one - with the tab?   Here are a few examples...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Battery-Tray-67-69-Camaro-Firebird-OE-repro-CORRECT-In-Stock-/270594522484?hash=item3f00b0bd74:g:iYUAAOSw-jhUDyE~&vxp=mtr

http://www.ebay.com/itm/AMD-66-Chevelle-El-Camino-67-69-Camaro-Firebird-Battery-Tray-340-3466-/351733531231?hash=item51e4f3c25f:g:L0wAAOSwSgJXNm1E&vxp=mtr

http://www.ebay.com/itm/66-Chevelle-El-Camino-67-69-Camaro-Firebird-Battery-Tray-/332093794873?hash=item4d52552a39:g:eqMAAOSwAKxWYGjA&vxp=mtr

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1967-69-Chevrolet-Camaro-Pontiac-Firebird-Battery-Tray-GM-NOS-Clone-/331069061327?hash=item4d1540f8cf:g:aG0AAOSwvg9XUhN4&vxp=mtr

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Re: Original Born with Battery Trays LOS NOR
« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2017, 12:58:47 AM »
Thanks to Chick for initiating this thread on 'battery trays' and hold downs/nuts etc..  :)

I couldn't remember what mine was; hadn't looked at it closely since I purchased a GM replacement for my 'rusty' battery tray after purchasing the car in the 76 timeframe...  Just went and looked...  doesn't have the tab as shown for that period cars...

So I suppose I need to 'look' for a replacement that is 'original', or at least 'original appearing'.   Ebay didn't have any originals, although a few later OEM NOS parts (without the tab) were out there.  I did see several reproductions (advertised correct- aren't they all?).. :)  , but several did have the 'tab' as shown by Chick on some original parts...

Is there a specific reproduction vendor that would be recommended if I wanted to replace my 'replacement' tray with a more correct one - with the tab?   Here are a few examples...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Battery-Tray-67-69-Camaro-Firebird-OE-repro-CORRECT-In-Stock-/270594522484?hash=item3f00b0bd74:g:iYUAAOSw-jhUDyE~&vxp=mtr

http://www.ebay.com/itm/AMD-66-Chevelle-El-Camino-67-69-Camaro-Firebird-Battery-Tray-340-3466-/351733531231?hash=item51e4f3c25f:g:L0wAAOSwSgJXNm1E&vxp=mtr

http://www.ebay.com/itm/66-Chevelle-El-Camino-67-69-Camaro-Firebird-Battery-Tray-/332093794873?hash=item4d52552a39:g:eqMAAOSwAKxWYGjA&vxp=mtr

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1967-69-Chevrolet-Camaro-Pontiac-Firebird-Battery-Tray-GM-NOS-Clone-/331069061327?hash=item4d1540f8cf:g:aG0AAOSwvg9XUhN4&vxp=mtr



Thanks Gary! The best and only repro that has the tab and is very correct looking in several areas is the AMD battery tray being sold by several vendors and more jumping on board. Find your best price on the AMD tray and go for it.
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Re: Original Born with Battery Trays LOS NOR
« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2017, 02:34:04 AM »
Thanks Chick.. :)    that isn't surprising as AMD has more correct parts on almost all metal items that I've looked at......  I'll follow your advice.. :)

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Re: Original Born with Battery Trays LOS NOR
« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2017, 02:37:25 AM »
Updated list:
67               Jon’s 1100 mile take off-No Tab- Has angled nuts
67 11A LOS Has tab but not as pronounced as many. Robert
68 03D NOR Has tab Darrell
68 05E NOR Has tab Danny
68 06A NOR Has tab DaveV
68 07C NOR Has tab JerryG
68 07D NOR Has tab Skip
69        LOS  Has tab Mike1971
69        NOR Has tab Mike1971
69 11A NOR No tab Has angled nuts & orig. battery hold down clamp. Noyenko
69               Has tab but not as pronounced as many. Noyenko
69 01C NOR Has tab Jude
69 02D NOR Has tab SteveS
69 03B NOR Has tab SteveS
69 08C NOR Has tab Bullitt65
69 09A NOR Has tab (late built) Robert
69 09D NOR Has tab (late built) Skip
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68 Z/28 NOR 01B Orig motor/trans/rear
69 Z/28 NOR 07A Orig Block & GM Cross-ram/carbs
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Re: Original Born with Battery Trays LOS NOR
« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2017, 02:54:14 PM »
 Im not sure if this helps since I dont own it anymore, but this was the tray in my LOS 10c of 1968 built 69RS  I sanded and painted it with POR black but I dont have pics of it all cleaned up, just this one photo before I detailed it. Fun topic to follow. :)
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Re: Original Born with Battery Trays LOS NOR
« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2017, 03:05:43 PM »
 I was looking at pictures of the AMD reproduction battery tray and it sure looks very accurate. It even has the rectangular nuts though the welded in position isn't the same.

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Re: Original Born with Battery Trays LOS NOR
« Reply #15 on: January 20, 2017, 04:57:22 PM »
That was my thought as well, Mike..  although I don't have my original, nor do I have great photos of an original..  The AMD appears to be a good choice for those of us who have previously replaced the original!
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Re: Original Born with Battery Trays LOS NOR
« Reply #16 on: January 20, 2017, 08:57:25 PM »
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Re: Original Born with Battery Trays LOS NOR
« Reply #17 on: January 20, 2017, 09:12:41 PM »
Im not sure if this helps since I dont own it anymore, but this was the tray in my LOS 10c of 1968 built 69RS  I sanded and painted it with POR black but I dont have pics of it all cleaned up, just this one photo before I detailed it. Fun topic to follow. :)
That is a service replacement due to the nuts all running straight and some other small items how the service replacements were made.
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Re: Original Born with Battery Trays LOS NOR
« Reply #18 on: January 21, 2017, 12:57:40 AM »

Updated list:
67               Jon’s 1100 mile take off-No Tab- Has angled nuts
67 11A LOS Has tab but not as pronounced as many. Robert
68 03D NOR Has tab Darrell
68 04D NOR Has tab Janobyte
68 05E NOR Has tab Danny
68 06A NOR Has tab DaveV
68 07C NOR Has tab JerryG
68 07D NOR Has tab Skip
69        LOS  Has tab Mike1971
69        NOR Has tab Mike1971
69 11A NOR No tab Has angled nuts & orig. battery hold down clamp. Noyenko
69               Has tab but not as pronounced as many. Noyenko
69 01C NOR Has tab Jude
69 02D NOR Has tab SteveS
69 03B NOR Has tab SteveS
69 08C NOR Has tab Bullitt65
69 09A NOR Has tab (late built) Robert
69 09D NOR Has tab (late built) Skip


On the pictures of originals I’ve accumulated they all have a very similar pattern in making. The rectangular nut on the underside of the battery tray where the battery hold down fastens is oriented the same way on originals and also service replacements but 90 degrees off on the AMD reproduction.  Service replacements have all three nuts oriented the same but on originals each of the three are at different angles but each maintains that same ange from tray to tray. Originals always seem to have a slight angle in the tab and the tab corners have a distinct 45 degree type corner break or nice radius. Originals display a sharp depression from the dye used whereas service replacements seem to be more rounder and not distinct. Another view of the repro picture followed by Jerry’s 07C 68 Z/28 original battery tray with some arrows showing specific items.




OK, lets see about transforming one of those AMD battery trays to be a dead ringer for a born with rascal!
I started by carefully removing some of the corner weld on the rectangular nut, placed a bolt in the thread, and while supporting the tray on a vice gave the bolt a hit with a hammer. OK, it took a few hits but it came out.



Clean some burrs off, orient the rectangular nut correctly and tig weld back in from the top side because the clamp hides any small imperfections but the underside could be seen with a mirror or by feel. Special thanks to Lonny and East Coast Muscle Cars for the tig welding. I probably would have burned a hole clean thru.



Now by working the tab to match (I used hand files for a lot of this) with some sanding followed by a glass bead operation lets see how it compares to an original.
The top picture the AMD tray after rework compared to the bottom tray of Jerry’s original. Umm, looks good to me.
Next step a good coat of epoxy primer followed by a top coat.
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Re: Original Born with Battery Trays LOS NOR
« Reply #19 on: January 21, 2017, 01:14:18 AM »
Is there a possibility that the trays with the less-defined stamping in the hold down clamp area could be from an alternate/standby supplier, rather than later service replacements? I doubt that there was a sole supplier to the assembly plants, and each one may have had subtle differences in the stamping details.
I have noted on several trays that they have a row of 'K's or possibly 'X's stamped on the 2 rectangular nuts used to bolt the tray down, but these trays also lack the tab detail that you've noted as indicating assembly-line versions.
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Re: Original Born with Battery Trays LOS NOR
« Reply #20 on: January 21, 2017, 02:18:37 AM »
Is there a possibility that the trays with the less-defined stamping in the hold down clamp area could be from an alternate/standby supplier, rather than later service replacements? I doubt that there was a sole supplier to the assembly plants, and each one may have had subtle differences in the stamping details.
I have noted on several trays that they have a row of 'K's or possibly 'X's stamped on the 2 rectangular nuts used to bolt the tray down, but these trays also lack the tab detail that you've noted as indicating assembly-line versions.
Could be Tim as the population accumulated is small but what helps is the range of gen I's from 67 to 69 that so far show the same characteristics. Maybe they had the same supplier but when production stopped for GEN I's and went to a different design for GEN II's they picked up a different supplier in the early 70's to make service replacements. So far all service replacements look the same from real old ones to more newer ones. Sellers on Ebay have NOS ones from $195 to $399.99 and none of them are correct.
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Re: Original Born with Battery Trays LOS NOR
« Reply #21 on: January 22, 2017, 02:38:53 AM »
Anyone else have or believe to have an original battery tray? Man these things are hard to find!
We have added an important one to the list with pictures as its the same design/year as what Jon had displayed on the Yenko site and also here in a different thread but will post both of them. One item that seems to be the same on all original trays are the three nuts are oriented differently but each of the three maintains the same angle/orientation from one original tray to another.
Updated list:
67               DaveV same design as Jon's No tab with angled nuts
67               Jon’s 1100 mile take off-No Tab- Has angled nuts
67 11A LOS Has tab but not as pronounced as many. Robert
68 03D NOR Has tab Darrell
68 04D NOR Has tab Janobyte
68 05E NOR Has tab Danny
68 06A NOR Has tab DaveV
68 07C NOR Has tab JerryG
68 07D NOR Has tab Skip
69        LOS  Has tab Mike1971
69        NOR Has tab Mike1971
69 11A NOR No tab Has angled nuts & orig. battery hold down clamp. Noyenko
69               Has tab but not as pronounced as many. Noyenko
69 01C NOR Has tab Jude
69 02D NOR Has tab SteveS
69 03B NOR Has tab SteveS
69 08C NOR Has tab Bullitt65
69 09A NOR Has tab (late built) Robert
69 09D NOR Has tab (late built) Skip
Maybe we should call these the fang trays! Here is Jon's:


And now Dave's Fang Tray:


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Re: Original Born with Battery Trays LOS NOR
« Reply #22 on: January 22, 2017, 02:50:42 PM »
 The fangs may likely be worn tooling, IMO. Much like how we see NOS panels with some rough cuts that don't appear on others of the same type.

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Re: Original Born with Battery Trays LOS NOR
« Reply #23 on: January 22, 2017, 03:47:39 PM »
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I didn't take any pictures of mine NOR 02D - but the tab looks identical to the first 2 pictures you have posted in this thread from what I can see..

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Re: Original Born with Battery Trays LOS NOR
« Reply #24 on: January 22, 2017, 06:53:10 PM »
I was looking at pictures of the AMD reproduction battery tray and it sure looks very accurate. It even has the rectangular nuts though the welded in position isn't the same.

Mike
The fangs may likely be worn tooling, IMO. Much like how we see NOS panels with some rough cuts that don't appear on others of the same type.

Mike
Possibility Mike but would think that might be seen in late 69's, not 67's. I'm wondering if it had something to do with there was no material there so when pressed the two fangs as I called them was the start of forming the tab but with no material it never formed.
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Re: Original Born with Battery Trays LOS NOR
« Reply #25 on: January 24, 2017, 02:54:02 AM »
Chick
I didn't take any pictures of mine NOR 02D - but the tab looks identical to the first 2 pictures you have posted in this thread from what I can see..

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67 DaveV same design as Jon's No tab-two sharp points w/correct angled nuts
67 Jon’s 1100 mile take off-No Tab-two sharp points w/correct angled nuts
67 11A LOS Has tab but not as pronounced as many. Robert
68 02D NOR Has tab Randy (Dutch)
68 03D NOR Has tab Darrell
68 04D NOR Has tab Janobyte
68 05E NOR Has tab Danny
68 06A NOR Has tab DaveV
68 07C NOR Has tab JerryG
68 07D NOR Has tab Skip
69 LOS Has tab Mike1971
69 NOR Has tab Mike1971
69 11A NOR No tab Has angled nuts & orig. battery hold down clamp. Noyenko
69 Has tab but not as pronounced as many. Noyenko
69 01C NOR Has tab Jude
69 02D NOR Has tab SteveS
69 03B NOR Has tab SteveS
69 03E NOR Has tab Eldon Has one sharp point with tab
69 08C NOR Has tab Bullitt65
69 09A NOR Has tab (late built) Robert
69 09D NOR Has tab (late built) Skip

Eldon sent me pictures of his 69 03E and it has the tab, angled nuts, and 1 (one) fang like. :) Thanks Eldon!

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Re: Original Born with Battery Trays LOS NOR
« Reply #26 on: January 24, 2017, 05:55:27 AM »
Here is a picture of my battery tray. I believe it to be original. 1969 z28  Los built October 1968.

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Re: Original Born with Battery Trays LOS NOR
« Reply #27 on: January 25, 2017, 05:34:43 PM »
Attached is a pic of a 69 3B original compared to a repop I purchased in 2009 from Ron @ MCCP in Il.
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« Reply #28 on: January 25, 2017, 06:09:23 PM »
Steve, I know it's only one photo, but that repro looks dead-on the original.

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« Reply #29 on: January 25, 2017, 06:29:04 PM »
I'll take better pics but you are correct almost dead-on.
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Re: Original Born with Battery Trays LOS NOR
« Reply #30 on: January 25, 2017, 11:20:30 PM »
Steve, what is the full name for MCCP?
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« Reply #31 on: January 25, 2017, 11:51:15 PM »
I'll take better pics but you are correct almost dead-on.
Yes what makes this one even better is the angled nuts are correct. We know they are not seen when battery in place but that is a good one! That was 8 years ago and my searching did not come up with that one so hopefully its still around.
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« Reply #32 on: January 25, 2017, 11:58:10 PM »
67 DaveV same design as Jon's No tab-two sharp points w/correct angled nuts
67 Jon’s 1100 mile take off-No Tab-two sharp points w/correct angled nuts
67 11A LOS Has tab but not as pronounced as many. Robert
68 02D NOR Has tab Randy (Dutch)
68 03D NOR Has tab Darrell
68 04D NOR Has tab Janobyte
68 05E NOR Has tab Danny
68 06A NOR Has tab DaveV
68 07C NOR Has tab JerryG
68 07D NOR Has tab Skip
69 Oct68 LOS Has tab asm69
69 LOS Has tab Mike1971
69 NOR Has tab Mike1971
69 11A NOR No tab Has angled nuts & orig. battery hold down clamp. Noyenko
69 Has tab but not as pronounced as many. Noyenko
69 01C NOR Has tab Jude
69 02D NOR Has tab SteveS
69 03B NOR Has tab SteveS
69 03E NOR Has tab Eldon Has one sharp point with tab
69 08C NOR Has tab Bullitt65
69 09A NOR Has tab (late built) Robert
69 09D NOR Has tab (late built) Skip
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69 Z/28 NOR 07A Orig Block & GM Cross-ram/carbs
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Re: Original Born with Battery Trays LOS NOR
« Reply #33 on: January 30, 2017, 06:07:10 AM »
Per the descriptions provided, pretty sure the bat tray off my Z is original.  '69, Van Nuys, 04B build.   73K original miles.

Gonna take some work/clean-up to make it look good though....





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Re: Original Born with Battery Trays LOS NOR
« Reply #34 on: January 30, 2017, 01:40:40 PM »
"

"Steve, what is the full name for MCCP?"

McHenry Classic Car Parts 815-648-1700 Ron. There may be other vendors but that's where I purchased mine.


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Re: Original Born with Battery Trays LOS NOR
« Reply #35 on: January 30, 2017, 04:26:56 PM »
I called and spoke to Ron; after checking he said the supplier for that battery tray was no longer producing them, and that the AMD was the only producer....  That's a shame as I was very impressed wtih the accurate detail that supplier had designed into their tray!   the AMD battery tray is like most of the AMD stuff... at the large scale, they do a pretty decent job, but then they fall down on the small details (like the orientation of the nuts)...
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« Reply #36 on: January 30, 2017, 04:56:41 PM »
I called and spoke to Ron; after checking he said the supplier for that battery tray was no longer producing them, and that the AMD was the only producer....  That's a shame as I was very impressed wtih the accurate detail that supplier had designed into their tray!   the AMD battery tray is like most of the AMD stuff... at the large scale, they do a pretty decent job, but then they fall down on the small details (like the orientation of the nuts)...

The good news is with some modifications as outlined and battery in place it can be made to look very correct.
67 DaveV same design as Jon's No tab-two sharp points w/correct angled nuts
67 Jon’s 1100 mile take off-No Tab-two sharp points w/correct angled nuts
67 11A LOS Has tab but not as pronounced as many. Robert
68 02D NOR Has tab Randy (Dutch)
68 03D NOR Has tab Darrell
68 04D NOR Has tab Janobyte
68 05E NOR Has tab Danny
68 06A NOR Has tab DaveV
68 07C NOR Has tab JerryG
68 07D NOR Has tab Skip
69 Oct68 LOS Has tab asm69
69 LOS Has tab Mike1971
69 NOR Has tab Mike1971
69 11A NOR No tab Has angled nuts & orig. battery hold down clamp. Noyenko
69 Has tab but not as pronounced as many. Noyenko
69 01C NOR Has tab Jude
69 02D NOR Has tab SteveS
69 03B NOR Has tab SteveS
69 03E NOR Has tab Eldon Has one sharp point with tab
69 04B LOS Has tab Hans
69 08C NOR Has tab Bullitt65
69 09A NOR Has tab (late built) Robert
69 09D NOR Has tab (late built) Skip
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68 Z/28 NOR 01B Orig motor/trans/rear
69 Z/28 NOR 07A Orig Block & GM Cross-ram/carbs
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Re: Original Born with Battery Trays LOS NOR
« Reply #37 on: January 31, 2017, 03:09:02 AM »
Chick - did try and post a picture of mine here tonight - but didn't have any luck.. Suffice to say the picture that I couldn't attach shows the angled nut on the tray bottom as I mentioned previously and the tab on the end slightly angled.  I finally gave up -you'll have to take my word for it!
Couldn't believe how scruffy my tray actually was when I looked closer after removing the battery, which should have been done months back - but after 49+ years.. 
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« Reply #38 on: January 31, 2017, 10:40:36 PM »
Thanks for confirming those details Steve; pity they're no longer able to source that part, but as Chick points out, the AMD version is very close with a minor tweak.
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Re: Original Born with Battery Trays LOS NOR
« Reply #39 on: February 04, 2017, 01:26:36 PM »
Wonderful thread!  But one question, do the 69 hold downs have the two dimples too?  I am sitting in front of my computer with a NOS battery tray with sticker 3893882 and can see the differences noted here.  But it looks like there is extra metal on the hold down tab.  So I think with a little trimming, it can approximate the tab.  My GM hold down does not have the dimples but has the rocketship stamp like a pic here.  Maybe a little time in a press will fix that :D

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« Reply #40 on: February 11, 2017, 01:42:27 AM »
Wonderful thread!  But one question, do the 69 hold downs have the two dimples too?  I am sitting in front of my computer with a NOS battery tray with sticker 3893882 and can see the differences noted here.  But it looks like there is extra metal on the hold down tab.  So I think with a little trimming, it can approximate the tab.  My GM hold down does not have the dimples but has the rocketship stamp like a pic here.  Maybe a little time in a press will fix that :D
On the 69 models I've looked at that were original cars they have had the two dimples. Skip's late 69 09D Camaro has it and our March built 69 Nova that we ordered in Feb.69 have it for a quick two examples. Used on many GM cars over several years. The hold down that has the "rocketship stamp" (good one) I've only noted on very old service replacements. Survivor cars or used original two dimple hold downs seem to have a single stamp. "C" is a common stamp found.
On the tray Kevin, I actually did that to a GM service replacement tray I had and probably in a car it would look the part. What it would not have is the slight kink/bend in that tab area but possibly a press could accommodate that.   
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« Reply #41 on: February 11, 2017, 12:32:20 PM »
Thanks Chick!  I will be on the hunt at the swap meets!

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« Reply #42 on: May 19, 2018, 01:03:02 PM »
Just completed the restoration of my original tray from my 69 Norwood 2B Z/28 (with tab).



 










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Re: Original Born with Battery Trays LOS NOR
« Reply #43 on: May 19, 2018, 10:29:19 PM »
Looks great Lloyd, as always. Are you enjoying this project as a full restoration, rather than detailing and preserving a survivor?
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« Reply #44 on: May 20, 2018, 12:01:28 AM »
Looks great Lloyd! How about a picture before restoration? :)
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« Reply #45 on: May 20, 2018, 05:27:51 AM »
Looks good Lloyd . Your car is going to turn out real nice, if everything looks as nice as that battery tray, wow.
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« Reply #46 on: May 22, 2018, 03:45:38 AM »
Looks good Lloyd . Your car is going to turn out real nice, if everything looks as nice as that battery tray, wow.

Thanks - it’s a painstaking process - 1 part at a time.

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« Reply #47 on: May 22, 2018, 04:36:40 AM »
Looks good Lloyd . Your car is going to turn out real nice, if everything looks as nice as that battery tray, wow.
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« Reply #48 on: May 22, 2018, 06:26:34 AM »
At Chick's request, here are a few photos of the original battery tray pre-restoration compared with an NOS tray. In addition to the "tab" there are a few other subtle differences as shown:

 

 

 

 

 






















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« Reply #49 on: May 22, 2018, 06:35:21 AM »
Looks great Lloyd, as always. Are you enjoying this project as a full restoration, rather than detailing and preserving a survivor?

Thanks!  Restoration vs Preservation are bookends apart. Preservation of a mostly complete car is a matter of verifying for originality, cleaning and detailing, (sometimes) locating those parts that have seen service replacement or Day 2 removal and then maintaining.  Restoration is also verifying for originality however it extends to many other processes. I enjoyed the preservation process and am equally enjoying restoration. Having owned and studied a survivor it has made the restoration process much better.

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« Reply #50 on: May 23, 2018, 12:06:23 AM »
Excellent work Lloyd! Care to explain your process?
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« Reply #51 on: May 23, 2018, 05:45:42 AM »
Excellent work Lloyd! Care to explain your process?
Thanks, Doc.

Time and bodywork. Following media blasting and grinding with rotary Scotchbrite discs, fill the deep voids and any uneven areas with JB Weld as the weight of the battery on regular filler risks cracking. Use regular filler to skim coat followed by high build primer then sand and repeat until a smooth paintable surface is achieved. Paint with 30% semi-gloss black.