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« Reply #15 on: March 04, 2014, 05:24:20 AM »

thats pretty wild. So they said they switch it (back) to a left hand drive? If it was originally delivered there it wouldn't be a factory right hand drive Camaro?
No, that Super Chevy article is 12+ years old, and the car remains RHD to this day (don't think he'll ever change it, as this car has a unique documented history). But as all Camaros were LHD from the factory, this one was converted locally upon importation when new; at the time, all cars here had to be RHD, so there was no other option but to pay for the conversion if you wanted a vehicle that wasn't already here, or wasn't made in factory RHD. It was like that to try and protect the domestic car manufacturing industry, like having huge taxes and tariffs on imported cars. Some conversions done back in the 60's and 70's were better than others, and I have seen some hack jobs over the years that I just wouldn't drive over safety concerns, but this car is not one of those.
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« Reply #16 on: March 04, 2014, 09:31:23 AM »

That's a gorgeous car, and I too have always loved the minilite wheels.. Smiley
Re the fender stripes:  I think I recall seeing some original GM Z28 ads which showed the 'over wheel pinstripes'... 
Was that, or was that not, an option?
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« Reply #17 on: March 04, 2014, 02:50:30 PM »

That's a gorgeous car, and I too have always loved the minilite wheels.. Smiley
Re the fender stripes:  I think I recall seeing some original GM Z28 ads which showed the 'over wheel pinstripes'... 
Was that, or was that not, an option?

The fender pinstripes were part of Z21, but the pinstripes were specifically excluded when Z21 was ordered on a Z/28.
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« Reply #18 on: March 04, 2014, 04:01:10 PM »

That's a gorgeous car, and I too have always loved the minilite wheels.. Smiley
Re the fender stripes:  I think I recall seeing some original GM Z28 ads which showed the 'over wheel pinstripes'... 
Was that, or was that not, an option?

The fender pinstripes were part of Z21, but the pinstripes were specifically excluded when Z21 was ordered on a Z/28.

John,  Would you have any idea if the 'exclusion' might be something that could be 'Deleted' via a customer order form (for a Z28 buyer who wanted the pinstripes)??
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« Reply #19 on: March 04, 2014, 04:36:06 PM »

Yep...that's the car. Those wheels are sweet and would love a set for my Z. Those would look great with Cortez Silver.
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« Reply #20 on: March 05, 2014, 10:41:25 AM »

John,  Would you have any idea if the 'exclusion' might be something that could be 'Deleted' via a customer order form (for a Z28 buyer who wanted the pinstripes)??


As far as I know, there was no mechanism to let a car order override the programming of the Body Broadcast; when a Z/28 was ordered, it automatically defeated the broadcast code for pinstripes.
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« Reply #21 on: March 05, 2014, 10:58:12 AM »

Thanks John.   I know you can *Delete* items which are normally included, but didn't know if you could *Include* items that are normally excluded based on the options selected.   

Personally, I really like the over-wheelwell pinstripes..  Smiley   as it makes the car look like it's moving when its' sitting still.  Were those pinstripes a 'decal' (ie tape?), or painted on?
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« Reply #22 on: March 05, 2014, 10:33:08 PM »

Painted on. Bueller paint stripers, IIRC.
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« Reply #23 on: March 05, 2014, 11:52:32 PM »

Painted on. Bueller paint stripers, IIRC.

Hmmmmm...   that sounds like 'talent' would be required..  Smiley
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« Reply #24 on: March 06, 2014, 11:55:48 AM »

Actually, no. The pinstripers are just a fixture that moves up/down as the car goes by and applies the stripes. I imagine the setup of the rollers was fun, but simple in action.

http://www.camaros.org/assemblyprocess.shtml#final
"pinstriping fixtures were applied and Z21/D96 pinstripes were painted with Buegler roller-striping guns, and D90 door stripe decals were applied."
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« Reply #25 on: March 06, 2014, 12:52:49 PM »

Here's a photo of a similar pinstripe fixture in use in 1965 at the Pontiac home plant - it has suction cups to hold it in position, and the top rail is the guide for the tip of the Beugler roller-striper. Two different Beugler guns were used - one with a thin roller, and one with a thicker roller for the second stripe. The Pontiac fixture is being used in an off-line stall, but the Camaro pinstripe fixtures were on-line, suspended from overhead balancers, and moved with the car.

Go here for more detailed information on the Beugler striping tool:

http://www.beugler.com/
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« Reply #26 on: March 06, 2014, 01:11:18 PM »

I recall that with newer vehicles, the process is automated, hence the fixturing is different. I didn't realize it was done by hand in 69. Thanks for posting the pic!
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« Reply #27 on: March 06, 2014, 01:33:49 PM »

Here's a photo of a similar pinstripe fixture in use in 1965 at the Pontiac home plant - it has suction cups to hold it in position, and the top rail is the guide for the tip of the Beugler roller-striper. Two different Beugler guns were used - one with a thin roller, and one with a thicker roller for the second stripe. The Pontiac fixture is being used in an off-line stall, but the Camaro pinstripe fixtures were on-line, suspended from overhead balancers, and moved with the car.

Go here for more detailed information on the Beugler striping tool:

http://www.beugler.com/

Thanks JohnZ and Kurt, for the additional info...  Smiley
Reading the Beugler data makes me want to go myself a pinstriper, and pinstripe every car I have.. Smiley
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60 Corvette white/red, 72 Corvette coupe (2), 
90 ZR1 red/red #246, 90 ZR1 white/gray #2466
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« Reply #28 on: March 06, 2014, 03:00:51 PM »

Yes, it's an original HO car (if you're into that - sorry Gary, couldn't resist Smiley) and yes, does have a right hand mirror. More on the story, with photos, here:
http://www.superchevy.com/features/camaro/sucp_0108_1969_chevy_camaro_z28/
Did the right hand drive Camaro come from the factory with the rear stripes too close together ?
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« Reply #29 on: March 07, 2014, 03:07:29 AM »

Did the right hand drive Camaro come from the factory with the rear stripes too close together ?
It's an early-built car, from memory September of '68, and there is a thread on this forum somewhere that showed (with photos) a number of early cars had the same rear stripe layout as the previous years did, and also that the stripes stopped further back from the rear window trim than later cars did. I'll see if I can find that thread and post the URL.
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