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« Reply #90 on: December 08, 2013, 10:15:55 AM »

Looking more closely at these pics, they actually open up some questions. Bud ran the car in 1969 only, and I believe it always ran #31. In the pics that Adam says are from 1971, the car wears #159.

The story I have heard is that the car sat in Bannerman's shop during the 1970 season. In 71 it was apparently run by someone else, but nobody seems to remember who. Following the 71 season, the car was relegated to the lot behind the dealership and at some point the race prepped 390 found its way into a tech's street car. It would be interesting to learn more about the 71 season.
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« Reply #91 on: December 08, 2013, 10:36:47 AM »

I know this is thread is mostly about AMX's but have any of you knowledgable AMC guys seen this cool old ad?  While it shows Javelins it does mention the "HOT" AMX.  I found it while searching for something else.  It was posted by someone named 2drpost" on a thread about vintage Canadian auto ads here: http://canadianponcho.activeboard.com/t53167695/vintage-auto-ads/

There are some pretty cool ads featuring Camaros as well.
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« Reply #92 on: December 08, 2013, 11:11:37 AM »

More Paul Gulde images of my Dad - this time at Harewood Acres.

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/thegarage/11271899065" title="AMX Porn by Gary Grant, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3798/11271899065_a1fec69921_z.jpg" width="640" height="333" alt="AMX Porn">[/url]

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/thegarage/11271898425" title="AMX Porn by Gary Grant, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5500/11271898425_b7831cce66.jpg" width="333" height="500" alt="AMX Porn">[/url]

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/thegarage/11271964264" title="AMX Porn by Gary Grant, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3696/11271964264_37d28ba0ab.jpg" width="500" height="333" alt="AMX Porn">[/url]
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« Reply #93 on: December 08, 2013, 12:14:41 PM »

This is awesome!  Thanks, Mike, for starting the… wait for it…Express of ideas and photos that led to Robert inviting Grant. Grant, thanks for coming over.

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« Reply #94 on: December 08, 2013, 12:28:23 PM »

I know this is thread is mostly about AMX's but have any of you knowledgable AMC guys seen this cool old ad?  While it shows Javelins it does mention the "HOT" AMX.  I found it while searching for something else.  It was posted by someone named 2drpost" on a thread about vintage Canadian auto ads here: http://canadianponcho.activeboard.com/t53167695/vintage-auto-ads/

There are some pretty cool ads featuring Camaros as well.

I've never seen that ad. It is cool. If his site isn't defunct, a fellow known as Arctic Boy would love to include that in with his AMC memorabilia.
The interesting car I see in the ad drawings is the one to the left of, and directly below, The Doug's Header's funny car Javelin. It looks like a cross between a Camaro and a '70 AMX or '71 Javelin.
   It is also interesting that dealer is in Brampton, Ontario. That was the location of a major AMC factory and engine plant if recall is accurate.

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« Reply #95 on: December 08, 2013, 12:37:21 PM »

I had wondered if it might have been white originally. Thanks for the rundown of how it was originally equipped. Looks to be a good, solid car.

I think that Kaplan for sure made at least three cars in '69 because I believe Don White's car that ran in Nascar GT was a Kaplan-built car.

True, but that car was set-up way different than the TA cars. Craig could probably add to that. There is a Redliner newsletter put out by AMC back in the day that a Mr. Thomas Benvie, SS/AMX historian, from Massachusetts posted on an AMC site that mentions the RKE ( Ronnie Kaplan Engineering/ Inc.) running a three car team in '69. Unfortunately it looks, so far, that the #33 Javelin, a '68 car, might be that third car. I was hoping there was comfirmation that the Dewar car was that third car. More research is necessary.

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« Reply #96 on: December 08, 2013, 03:58:35 PM »

I was told years ago that Gordon Dewar's Javelin from '69 was a Kaplan built car but I have not looked closely enough at it to see if it was constructed in the same fashion as the RKE cars.
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« Reply #97 on: December 08, 2013, 06:16:40 PM »

This is awesome!  Thanks, Mike, for starting the… wait for it…Express of ideas and photos that led to Robert inviting Grant. Grant, thanks for coming over.

Steve

Excuse me, I didn't notice that it is Gary Grant, not just Grant.

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« Reply #98 on: December 08, 2013, 08:58:35 PM »

I don't have any of my books or pictures handy, but I don't think that I ever came up with a 100% idea on the Don White #2 car.  Obviously, he/it didn't run, as #2 was Ford/Revson, right???  Last summer, my brother and I spent several hours with Ronnie Kaplan, and I think we even overwhelmed him with all of our info and pictures.    Back in the day, magazine articles etc listed 'customer cars' and such at RKE....too bad that was over 40 years ago.   I'll say this, that Dewar Javelin has rear flares that look an awful lot like RKE 69 T/A Javelin.  And I agree with Steve....the 'third' 69 team car was one of the leftover 68 cars (Follmers or Revsons).

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« Reply #99 on: December 09, 2013, 12:25:16 PM »

...a friend of mine, Adam Tarr, sent me this link on SCCA AMX racing....I currently own the #66 Bill Ackerman car from the St. Louis area: http://ssamx.com/1968_scca_bp_AMX.htm  The only information that I have on the car is the information that I got from the previous owners.  If anyone has any history, pictures or documentation on the car, I would greatly appreciate it...thanks Mike
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« Reply #100 on: December 10, 2013, 03:20:43 PM »

Mike, thank you signing up for our forum. It is always a pleasure to learn more about these cars from that great era of the late '60s and early '70s and a privilege to own one of them as well.
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« Reply #101 on: December 10, 2013, 11:10:58 PM »

...a friend of mine, Adam Tarr, sent me this link on SCCA AMX racing....I currently own the #66 Bill Ackerman car from the St. Louis area: http://ssamx.com/1968_scca_bp_AMX.htm  The only information that I have on the car is the information that I got from the previous owners.  If anyone has any history, pictures or documentation on the car, I would greatly appreciate it...thanks Mike

Hello, Mike. Welcome aboard. I'm currently working behind the scenes on the request you posted for more information on the 66 AMX. When I get some solid feedback from the source(s) I'm going through I'll post here or hook you up with the information.

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« Reply #102 on: December 11, 2013, 12:37:51 AM »

Ok, I need some help from some of the other guys here. I've tracked down more information on the Dewar Javelin. Below is a picture of it attributed to St. Jovite, the week before Watkins Glen in '69. Now, here's where your assistance comes into play,  the same car can't be 2 cars at the same place at the same time. So, some better accounting than Racing Sportscars posts must be available. If it is not, then the # 47 Dewar car is the #4 Kaplan car in JNO Racing Enterprises Ltd.livery but is the 4 car. Yet separate references to the car, such as where I got the photo:http://kzmotorsports.com/911L-Race-History-Overview.html- photo 15, the car is referred
to, naturally, as the #47 Dewar Javelin. Yet, when one goes here:http://www.racingsportscars.com/type/results/AMC/Javelin.html and one goes to the 1969 results the connundrum presents itself. Check out the entries for the St.Jovite race on August 3rd of 1969 and then check out the entries listed for the Watkins Glen race on August 8th. See the problem? The discrepancy needs deconfliction.

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« Reply #103 on: December 11, 2013, 09:44:32 AM »

Steve, that picture you posted is not from St. Jovite, it is from Watkins Glen. The cars in the back half of the photo are crossing over the marked grid locations and the start/finish line and the cars in the front are going through the first bend. Definitely Watkins Glen. Gordon Dewar did not race at the '69 St. Jovite race, for some reason. At Watkins Glen, Ron Grable was driving the #4 RKE Javelin because the #3 Javelin had been heavily damaged in the 8-car pile up the weekend before at St. Jovite. John Martin had broken his arm in a garage accident and Lothar Motschenbacher was not a favorite of Ronnie Kaplan's. Hence, Ron Grable made the move from the #3 to the #4.
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« Reply #104 on: December 11, 2013, 02:10:00 PM »

Awesome. That narrows down the potential confusion as well as pinpointing that the number 4 car and the number 47 cars cannot be one and the same at the same race. The number 4 car is out of the picture, and the number 3 car is separate and distinct from the number 47 car at the same race. Now, finding a photo of both the #'s 55 or 33 at this race will help. Then it is left up to contacting Dewar ( is he still alive? ) or someone else familiar with JNO Racing Enterprises Ltd.which was described as being in a converted grocery store location in Hull( across from Ottawa ) Canada at the time (1971) by photographer ( then - Ottawa Baby Photographers ), Allan De La Plante.

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