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« Reply #30 on: April 16, 2013, 12:37:31 PM »

Looking at the pic from where I sit it looks like the paint has a lavender tint to it. My 69 is Cortez Silver with 3 different paint jobs on it but the door jambs have never been touched. Looking at the old paint in my garage under inside lighting and then outside looks way different, but it doesn't look like it has that same tint in the pic. Without being there to see the original color it is really hard to tell what it is. Just my thoughts. Even in KurtS pic it obviously looks Cortez Silver or whatever that silver is, but has a tint to me.

Question, if Cortez Silver was available why would it be painted Silver and have a - B? From what I understand from reading and research the Dash could mean anything. In this case no stripes. I have seen a Dark Blue or whatever the blue that the factory used, on a 70 Chevelle SS with -  - on trim plate also. Car had no stripes.  I don't see an issue here about paint, but what I see mostly is DISRESPECT for a fellow car enthusiast.  


Here's a clear photo with the roof rail track removed from the pillar area showing the original silver color.  Does not look like Evening orchid to me?
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« Reply #31 on: April 16, 2013, 12:49:09 PM »

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« Reply #32 on: April 16, 2013, 01:23:22 PM »

A little off the exact topic but my 66 gto with Tiger Gold and Black Vinyl top says SPECIAL 2 on the trim tag. The PHS doc,s says SPECIAL for the paint code also. I have seen SPECIAL on other cars as well. So did some GM plants used -- and some SPECIAL? And wonder how the factory new what color to use Since it not on any of my docs .My only proof is photos of the disassembly of a non restored but cheaply repainted car Just wondering. And wonder what a original window sticker would said.
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« Reply #33 on: April 16, 2013, 01:36:01 PM »

Here's a clear photo with the roof rail track removed from the pillar area showing the original silver color.  Does not look like Evening orchid to me?
Well. that photo under the roof rail *definitely* looks like it was originally the lavendor color!   I have a '69 Corvette in Cortez Silver (the same as the silver color on Camaros), and the cortez silver has NO lavender/pink in it at all!~
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« Reply #34 on: April 16, 2013, 01:43:45 PM »

Motorman?  CLEM?  Is that you?   *S*   
If that area exposed in Jerry's photo is indicative of your entire car (originally), it's definitely the lavendor orchid color!~   and I definitely know that you know what you are talking about.   and I recall you talking about buying a Z28 for your wife at that time....  now that all the pieces are coming together.!

I hope you are doing well, since it's been a few years since I saw you at the Vetteheads tent in Carlisle *S*
Hey!  and that carburetor you rebuilt under the tent is still working great on my '72 (previously mine, then Ed's, and now mine again)....     
 *(although I really had my doubts it would ever work watching you rebuild it and tossing parts that you said..   'Ah we don't need that'..    not to mention the alcohol taht was put away under that tent.. and not even mentioning the strawberrys..  Smiley

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« Reply #35 on: April 16, 2013, 01:45:45 PM »

Gentlemen, we can battle this till the cows come home, but let's not. It's already been done over on the original TC thread. We'll accomplish nothing by drudging this up again.

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« Reply #36 on: April 16, 2013, 02:11:54 PM »

There are times they do come home!  Cheesy
 
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« Reply #37 on: April 16, 2013, 02:19:30 PM »

 Pictures and the screen cannot be relied upon for accurate hue and value representation. Unless of course the colors being compared are dramatically different. Radiosity, metamerism, camera settings, lighting, and environment can make a color appear differently when these are changed. Photographers, artists and auto painters who understand color and photograpy know this; most car enthusiasts do not. The first and second photos of the car in question are a perfect example, they do not appear the same.

Someone mentioned they do not recall today's new paint in EO being the same as it was 40 years ago. For one thing, the tints in paint systems today are different. And the mind cannot remember color to a higher level of accuracy. I have to match color in auto paint and when doing realistic artwork. I can't go by memory to match a color, no artist can. Reference in required.
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« Reply #38 on: April 16, 2013, 02:25:46 PM »

Motorman?  CLEM?  Is that you?   *S*   
If that area exposed in Jerry's photo is indicative of your entire car (originally), it's definitely the lavendor orchid color!~   and I definitely know that you know what you are talking about.   and I recall you talking about buying a Z28 for your wife at that time....  now that all the pieces are coming together.!

I hope you are doing well, since it's been a few years since I saw you at the Vetteheads tent in Carlisle *S*
Hey!  and that carburetor you rebuilt under the tent is still working great on my '72 (previously mine, then Ed's, and now mine again)....     
 *(although I really had my doubts it would ever work watching you rebuild it and tossing parts that you said..   'Ah we don't need that'..    not to mention the alcohol taht was put away under that tent.. and not even mentioning the strawberrys..  Smiley


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« Reply #39 on: April 16, 2013, 02:53:29 PM »

  Not all humans see color the same way due to their brain's color perception characteristics and that is due in part to the number and efficiency of rods and cones in ones eyes. When I give lectures I touch on this very topic of color perception. And as Sauron eluded to, most people don't have their computer monitor's gamma and color space set correctly, if at all. I'm an astro photographer and I deal a lot with color space and proper balance is very important for correct visual presentation and I have seen how hue interpretation can differ widely between people and displayed on monitors so trying to analyze very subtle color hue level changes on a basic PC monitor can be difficult. I use color calibration on my monitor once a month for my main monitor I use for image processing and no calibration on what I call a ‘typical user’ monitor when adjusting astro images and there is definitely a visual difference. I do this so there is a compromise in balance for web presentation.

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« Reply #40 on: April 16, 2013, 08:40:42 PM »

Yeah. My wife for one has a very hard time distinguishing colors. When gets her clothes ready for work she always asks me if this matches. Her view of colors is not the same as mine.
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« Reply #41 on: April 16, 2013, 09:15:15 PM »

and some people are color blind...  Smiley
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« Reply #42 on: April 16, 2013, 09:21:12 PM »

The man ordered the car. He should know what color he ordered. I have know idea why anyone would doubt him. Every picture I've seen has a lavender hue to it. I'm with ya Clem.
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« Reply #43 on: April 17, 2013, 08:48:57 AM »

The man ordered the car. He should know what color he ordered. I have know idea why anyone would doubt him. Every picture I've seen has a lavender hue to it. I'm with ya Clem.
there is lot at stake here for people who charge a lot of $$$ to certify these cars. if i had not stepped up a rare 1 of 1 Z/28 would have been lost. also my credibility is at stake here also so i will defend myself with all my power
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« Reply #44 on: April 17, 2013, 11:30:39 AM »

I never weighed in on this.

But.... I love the color (ESPECIALLY with the Black vinyl top), and would have painted it back exactly as it is being painted.   However, given that black top, I would really really be tempted to add black stripes.

As far as the disagreements, well, hopefully we can just agree to disagree.

What a great car.

BTW, didn't read the whole thread, but the earlier Pontiacs that used this color called it Iris Mist.  Saw a Bonneville painted that color and it was killer.

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