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1969 - Orphans / Re: 19N509257 DZ 302 Block on ebay
« on: February 20, 2018, 03:58:31 PM »
Mine is stamped at the oil filter and is a 12D built Norwood car, engine stamped 12-27 I think (have to look again).  I've looked at 2 other Norwood blocks for sale in recent past that were stamped mid Dec 68 builds and they both also had the vin at the oil filter just a week or two before mine.

I had info on a Norwood built DZ engine with a build date stamp late November here somewhere, and it had the vin at the oil filter also.  I'll have to dig and see if I can find it.   That's the earliest I've ever seen a Norwood car done that way.

I was under the impression that Van Nuys was stamping vins at the oil filter earlier then Norwood was.

Decoding/Numbers / Re: New member trying to find out what I have- Barn Find
« on: February 13, 2018, 08:38:26 PM »
Examine the bulk heads closely for any grease pencil markings.  Just one clue.  Sometimes hard to read and may take different lighting to bring it out.  Norwood was writing on them before the X code usage on the trim tags.  Hopefully the area hasn't been disturbed.

General Discussion / Re: X Codes
« on: February 13, 2018, 08:29:47 PM »
I see a lot of people referring to the 69 Camaros using the "X Code" I.E. X11, X33, X77. I know that the X Codes didn't start showing up on the Norwood trim tags until the first or second week of Dec. 68. My question is would a car that was built before that or even the LA built cars that didn't have X Codes still be called ( Let say an LA built 69 Z/28 an X33) ?  Or does it have to have that code on the trim tag for that?

I think I understand what you are trying to convey with your question.  My feeling is that the X code slang thrown around originates with the Norwood cars and their trim tags.  So when I hear the term, I automatically picture in my mind that it's at least a Norwood built car from 12B 68 and beyond.     Anything else and we are talking about Pre 12B Norwood, or a Van Nuys production run Camaro.

But it can all be interpreted any way you see fit.  No right or wrong.  I suppose a Van Nuys Camaro can be referred to as the same thing if there is some sort of paperwork to confirm it, but in my mind it's still more of a trim tag thing and only 12B and beyond Norwood cars fit that idea that the description was intended for.   

General Discussion / Re: X Codes
« on: February 13, 2018, 08:20:52 PM »
I can offer the following related to your question based on my car;
LOS Van-Nuys Indy pace car (Obviously NO Z11 on the trim tag)
Fuel Tank sheet certianly had Z11AA typed in the lower section.

I still refer to it as a Z11 Pace Car, wether it was NOR OR LOS, it still is equipped with the package and content.


Jim, I'm assuming the Van Nuys plant did not write codes on the bulkheads? 

General Discussion / Re: Y77 Bat.
« on: February 12, 2018, 02:50:15 PM »
Just need to get creative. Here is mine.

Yep, I'm doing a Y55 with a R59 battery topper.  Takes a little work to reverse the terminal designations (reverse polarity, darn there's that word again :))  I'll have to respray it then some detail paint work etc..  and make my own Y55 stickers, but it will look the part.

General Discussion / Re: Y77 Bat.
« on: February 12, 2018, 02:47:31 PM »
I actually contacted a couple companies about the Y55, and asked if they would reproduce one. I was told that there is just not enough demand to retool and make them.. I always refer to them as reverse post. Reverse polarity to me, never sounded right, sounds like a positive ground thing, or similar. Like you are changing something. JMHO... The polarity isn't being changed, just the posts are being switched, right? Still a 12 volt negative ground. Just happens to be moved to the other side. Danny

That's how it is referred around here.  Actually the parts book at the local store even has it printed as reverse polarity.  Not that it matters, I don't think they care about technicalities, only that it is understood.  Hard battery to find even in a modern battery.  Costco doesn't even carry it in their Interstate line.  I had to get an off brand name from Napa and even that had to be ordered in. 

General Discussion / Re: X Codes
« on: February 11, 2018, 03:21:06 PM »
I am not sure about the LA cars but the Norwood plant did. I have an early 10D 69 Z/28 and during inspection JM found a X7 crayon marking on the bulk head behind the rear seat. I assume that is what they used going down the line to let them know how and what to assemble.

Norwood was still using the crayon on the bulk head even after the X codes appeared on the trim tag, at least early on I'm certain.   My 12D 69 RS Z is of course an X33 on the tag, and also has "X3" written on the bulkhead.

Although this is still only about 2 weeks into the X codes on the trim tags, I'm curious did Norwood continue writing on the bulk heads throughout production??   Would there be a need to have it in both locations during production?

General Discussion / Re: Y77 Bat.
« on: February 11, 2018, 03:15:33 PM »
Not that I've seen.  No Y55 reverse polarity for the earlier 69Z's either.  Can't even get a correct battery topper for these, lol.

General Discussion / Re: Survivor Craigslist 69 Z
« on: February 04, 2018, 09:01:48 PM »
Thanks betarho.

From the Yenko link:
Quote from member camaromb
"I looked at this '69 Z 2 years ago. It has a drivers side spliced quarter, most of that side painted, getting crusty under wheel well trim, lower fender rusting through, bumped under rear bumper, missing spare tire/smog/carb etc. Neat car but it needs to be restored and at the time he wanted $100k. It survived 10 years in Illinois and then was stored, not pretty underneath!"
*Corroborated by another member who is a neighbor.
A lot of good insight by both Yenko Members. So with that info (*if true) I would say more like 30-35k car.

Ah well there ya go.  Not quite as untouched as the owner may indicate.  Changes things. 

I agree patina has gotten nuts.  What some are calling patina I'm looking at a car that needs a total restoration.  I like nice unrestored cars if they present well and still have decent original paint left and score well with certification.  But some of this stuff they are passing off now looks like they dragged it from the bottom of a river.

General Discussion / Re: Survivor Craigslist 69 Z
« on: February 04, 2018, 04:18:09 PM »
Neat to still see these out there.

If still original carb, the base plate has been changed.  It no longer has the PCV connection, and electric choke has been added.  Smog missing.  The car has been tinkered with a bit.  Overall though, pretty cool.  I wouldn't pay that for it, but cool none the less.

No pics of drivetrain stamps or docs.

Sellers can say whatever they want...
True. I think in general the SS market is undervalued, especially the small block SS. Seems like the COPO, Yenko, special dealer cars (ex Baldwin, Nickey), Pace cars get much of the hype. And some of it is deserved, for the mere reason they didn't make a lot of them. But 20,302 is a lot of Z cars, so still surprises me with some of the sale prices.

I agree, I've always had an appreciation for the SS 350 cars.  Just not seldom seen. 

Yeah a lot of Z cars produced, but the prices they are grabbing doesn't surprise me too much.  They are sort of special little cars, and the only car that engine came in.  3 years and it was gone.  Not the fastest thing on the road but definitely a ball to drive.  It's become my favorite of the lot, when my wife lets me drive it that is, lol.

Nice colors, great options.  That's about as good as an SS 350 gets.   For me,  I don't think the price is too out of line as long as it's a real SS.  Hopefully a Norwood car with an X code tag, that would make things much easier and less worry about what you're getting.   I've seen wanna-be Camaros for as much or more.   Worth checking on if you're on the market for one. 

If it's really in Arizona I'd expect to see it at the Pavilions.  But I've never seen it around.

General Discussion / Re: Anybody buy from
« on: January 19, 2018, 10:11:17 PM »
.  I have no idea what the state(s) did, or were supposed to do, with unsold plates back then or now,

Me neither, but if states are supposed to destroy them, they sure haven't been doing it from what I've seen.  Every big swap meet I attend there is always at least one vendor selling thousands of original plates from all states that go back into the 1930's...LOL

General Discussion / Re: Camaro Numbers by State
« on: January 19, 2018, 01:27:24 PM »
Another idea for original delivery, is if each person that has  a NCRS report or an original protect-o-plate stated the original city and state, that may paint a little bit of a picture.

Unfortunately there is a pretty large vin gap with no information from NCRS (mine included) so there is quite a bit that would be missed using that method, I would think anyway.

General Discussion / Re: Camaro Numbers by State
« on: January 18, 2018, 06:23:58 PM »
Grew up in Cinci.  Friends and even relatives that worked at the Norwood plant and Fisher Body.  Throughout the 70's-80's and even 90's there was always a huge concentration of F-bodies around town.

Now living out here in AZ I'm not so sure any other state would have the concentration of classic cars in one place that we have here in AZ.  Seems most of California has moved over here too now. Tons of Norwood F-bodies out here, mine being one of them, and as far as I can tell, spent the majority of it's life out here.  My other F-body is a Van Nuys car.    Phoenix is a huge concentration of classics out here with no shortage of F-bodies.  I think as the people get older that own these cars, they eventually migrate West.   Year round cruising weather here, not to mention the biggest car auctions in the country is right here in Scottsdale, with at least seven different auctions going on the month of January.

Finding them all state by state might be a monumental task.  With privacy laws in most all states now, I doubt even the DMV could be of help.

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