Early Production 1969

tim69camaro · July 06, 2009, 04:36:59 AM

I thought this 1969 on ebay was interesting. It was built the first week of production (maybe the first day) with a VIN ending 500308. The cowl tag is 8D. Otherwise, not much left of this car.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet-Camaro-1969-69-Chevy-Camaro-Ht-Rough-Project-or-Parts-Title_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ65Q3a10Q7c66Q3a2Q7c39Q3a1Q7c293Q3a1Q7c294Q3a50QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem20ac68c601QQitemZ140331501057QQptZUSQ5fCarsQ5fTrucks

william · July 06, 2009, 12:06:00 PM

It has been messed with. VIN rivets are not OE.

Stingr69 · July 06, 2009, 12:53:34 PM

Quote from: william on July 06, 2009, 12:06:00 PM
It has been messed with. VIN rivets are not OE.

I saw that but did not comment. The hidden VIN derivative stamps migt not match the VIN tag. If the tags were swapped, you have to ask the question "why"? It wasn't a HP car in the first place so there must be another reason. If the tag and the hidden stamps do match the owner may have planned to change the rusty dash panel before giving up on the project.

-Mark.

ggtsvnv · July 06, 2009, 01:09:00 PM

the seller states that it appears to be a 307 car, but wouldn't it be a 327 car being an early build? Also if I may ask how can you tell the rivets are not stock? They appear too like like what I've seen? I'm not questioning just hopeing to become educated about the rivets.

william · July 06, 2009, 06:44:11 PM

VIN tags had to be riveted from under the dash because the windshield was installed by Fisher body. All that was visible were the ends of the rivets; the "rosette" heads were underneath. On the car in question common rivets were installed from the top; the windshield was not in the way.

The interior photos show what appears to be an undisturbed dash. Replacing the top of the dash with the aftermarket panel requires cutting and splicing the structure across the front. Everything looks undisturbed including the body tag. The VIN tag may simply have been removed and re-installed.

KurtS · July 07, 2009, 10:42:08 PM

Pretty well optioned car. Deluze, AC, PB, PS, vinyl top.

Tag matches the VIN - I agree with Bill that it's original.

jacmac · July 10, 2009, 05:27:54 PM

Why is the 9 missing between the 7 & N on the cowl tag!

tim69camaro · July 10, 2009, 05:48:54 PM

The 9 denotes the year. Since cowl tags start with the year it is not needed. There are some other differences the can be understood by reading the web site. http://www.camaros.org/numbers.shtml#VINvsStyle

ggtsvnv · July 10, 2009, 07:33:48 PM

Quote from: KurtS on July 07, 2009, 10:42:08 PM
Pretty well optioned car. Deluze, AC, PB, PS, vinyl top.

Tag matches the VIN - I agree with Bill that it's original.
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I'm sorry now I'm confused, I thought Bill said that the rivets look non-orginal.

KurtS · July 10, 2009, 09:52:58 PM

Tags are original to the car, even though though the VIN has been off.

ggtsvnv · July 11, 2009, 02:00:16 AM

Thanks Kurt I got it now.

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Early Production 1969