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BULLITT65

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buyer beware 1969 Z/28 on ebay paperwork looks like a scam
« on: April 25, 2012, 12:56:26 AM »
Hey guys,
I saw this listing the other day on ebay # 230778509840,
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/?cmd=ViewItem&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649&item=230778509840&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT#ht_500wt_1182
looked initially like a clean car at first glance. I then read the description where he goes onto say how this is an early production Z and that he has original documentation for it including the dealer sticker, and that it is some gold crown show winner. I look back at the pictures and see the ZL2 hood and regular spoilers, and then look back at his dealer sticker. The car seems to early to have the regular spoilers, seems like it would have had the shorter spoilers, and it seems like it is to early to have had the hood as an option. I email the guy asking about these observations, and his response " Go F*ck yourself! "
So it makes me wonder as to the validity of the rest of the car. What do you guys think are my observations correct?
1969 garnet red Z/28 46k mile unrestored X77
-Looking for 3192477 (front) spiral shocks 3192851 (rear)
-Looking for an original LOF soft ray windshield
-Looking for original Delco side post negative battery cable part # 6297651AV

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Re: buyer beware 1969 Z/28 on ebay paperwork looks like a scam
« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2012, 01:29:04 AM »
I believe your observatins are correct. There are other things that look wrong too. For example, chrome tail pipes. Also, according to Jerry's book, VIN 508... were built in November, not October. So, he has some facts wrong too. I am always suspicious of such vehicles when there is no picture of the  trim tag or partial VIN on the block.

I note lots of bids, but the price is too low for a true numbers matching RS Z IMHO.
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Re: buyer beware 1969 Z/28 on ebay paperwork looks like a scam
« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2012, 01:30:51 AM »
I just ask for pics of TT and block stamp. I also mentioned M21 on window sticker which is obviously a fake and the ad said M22. See what kind of fire that lit.
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Re: buyer beware 1969 Z/28 on ebay paperwork looks like a scam
« Reply #3 on: April 25, 2012, 12:25:48 PM »
I was reading about this car over at that Yenko site, lots of questions.

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=488469&page=all

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Re: buyer beware 1969 Z/28 on ebay paperwork looks like a scam
« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2012, 05:32:16 PM »
Also, the head rests are not the early type that are straight.  The ones pictured in this car are the later ones that are angled forward.

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Re: buyer beware 1969 Z/28 on ebay paperwork looks like a scam
« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2012, 04:31:54 PM »
Remember, he did state "restored to exactly or better than what GM offered in 1969."  So, the inconsistencies just make it "better".
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Re: buyer beware 1969 Z/28 on ebay paperwork looks like a scam
« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2012, 09:55:44 PM »
 508815 VIN   makes it an early car.  But wait !!  The window sticker says its a factory cowl hood car !!!   Wow !  what a find !   Everybody else had to wait till january to get a cowl hood.   very special car...   

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Re: buyer beware 1969 Z/28 on ebay paperwork looks like a scam
« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2012, 09:59:09 PM »
to bad ebay doesn't have a way to give reviews about a listing being honest. Looks like a lawsuit waiting to happen....
1969 garnet red Z/28 46k mile unrestored X77
-Looking for 3192477 (front) spiral shocks 3192851 (rear)
-Looking for an original LOF soft ray windshield
-Looking for original Delco side post negative battery cable part # 6297651AV

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Re: buyer beware 1969 Z/28 on ebay paperwork looks like a scam
« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2012, 10:03:27 PM »
I just ask for pics of TT and block stamp. I also mentioned M21 on window sticker which is obviously a fake and the ad said M22. See what kind of fire that lit.

Was there any reply to this request yet?

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Re: buyer beware 1969 Z/28 on ebay paperwork looks like a scam
« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2012, 10:14:29 PM »
Good luck with a request for anything with this car, who ever buys it will be lucky if it is even a camaro let alone a Z/28
1969 garnet red Z/28 46k mile unrestored X77
-Looking for 3192477 (front) spiral shocks 3192851 (rear)
-Looking for an original LOF soft ray windshield
-Looking for original Delco side post negative battery cable part # 6297651AV

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Re: buyer beware 1969 Z/28 on ebay paperwork looks like a scam
« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2012, 10:50:00 PM »
I just ask for pics of TT and block stamp. I also mentioned M21 on window sticker which is obviously a fake and the ad said M22. See what kind of fire that lit.

Was there any reply to this request yet?

Mike

Nope not a word.
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Re: buyer beware 1969 Z/28 on ebay paperwork looks like a scam
« Reply #11 on: April 30, 2012, 04:19:40 AM »
Trim tag is a repro. The car used to be 79-79 711.
He sent me an engine pad pic - isn't a great pic, but looks possible original.

http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=3453
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