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« on: January 14, 2011, 09:12:30 PM »

You could not order two options on a 1st gen. Z, an automactic transmission or air conditioning.   Would a convertible be considered an option?   

Rally stripes came on Z's and Z10's and Z11's.   Could you order them on any other Camaros?   
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« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2011, 09:30:32 PM »

I believe they were available on any Camaro.
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« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2011, 09:35:39 PM »

I believe they were available on any Camaro.

If someone purchased a new Camaro, they could order rally stripes no matter what?
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« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2011, 09:38:37 PM »

I was just reading and it was the D90 (ss stripe) not ralley stripes. Sorry.
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« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2011, 09:47:28 PM »

You could not order two options on a 1st gen. Z, an automactic transmission or air conditioning.   Would a convertible be considered an option?   

Yes, a convertible top was an option (UPC C05).  So that's three option you couldn't order with a Z28...    Wink

Rally stripes came on Z's and Z10's and Z11's.   Could you order them on any other Camaros?   

Rally stripes were not an option, therefore they on came on Z10s, Z11s and Z28s...    Smiley

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« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2011, 09:50:12 PM »

Convertibles weren't options, they were models. C05 was used to indicate what color top you wanted when you purchased a convertible (Note the price of NC - No Charge).

And no, the stripes weren't available on any other model other than what's already been stated.

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« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2011, 09:54:23 PM »

Ed, what's UPC C05?    Huh

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« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2011, 09:55:04 PM »

Thanks Ed,  I got into a disagreement with someone and needed some backup.   Smiley
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« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2011, 09:57:36 PM »

Paul.

Ed, what's UPC C05?    Huh

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Convertibles weren't options, they were models. C05 was used to indicate what color top you wanted when you purchased a convertible (Note the price of NC - No Charge).

And no, the stripes weren't available on any other model other than what's already been stated.

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« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2011, 10:26:29 PM »

Paul, you must have posted as I was editing my post to include what the C05 meant! I figured someone would ask!!

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« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2011, 10:31:30 PM »

Paul, you must have posted as I was editing my post to include what the C05 meant! I figured someone would ask!!

Yes I did!  Thanks for your lightning fast responses!    Smiley

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« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2011, 12:31:38 PM »

I am wondering.  If I really really wanted a Z/28 convertible, or a Z/28 automatic or Z/28 with AC, could I have gotten one if I was willing to pay a premium or sign off that the AC would not be warranted.  I suppose the issue was never tested because if you really wanted these items on a sporty Camaro, you just got and SS instead.  However, they did build that Z/28 convertible for Pete Estes.  So, I had a time machine and walked into a dealership and plunked down the full sticker price and say an additional $500 for "convenience", could I have gotten a convertible Z/28? 

I'll bet if I went to Gibb Chevrolet at the right time I could have gotten him to change one of those 50 ZL1's to a convertible RS with JL8, power windows and factory AC.  Tell me I'm not the only one that would do that if we had a time machine. 

I can only think it never happened because no one really tried.   
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« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2011, 01:18:55 PM »

Keep in mind that a ZL-1 Camaro was already double the price of a normal Camaro performance model, well into the 8 Grand area. To get one as a convertible, RS, a/c, etc would make it even more expensive and they had trouble selling them just as they were. Some got sold at discounts, other had the exotic engine replaced with a more pedestrian one, just to get them sold. Some special Camaros did get built such as the '69 Z for Jean Claude Killy and a '70 for Glen Campbell. If you were a high profile celebrity who could bring some prestige to Chevrolet, then something might get done. The ZL-1s got built to allow the engine to be accepted in drag racing. That was the sole focus of that program and in fact the black & gold deluxe version they contemplated was aborted due to the feeling they would be too expensive to sell.

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« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2011, 01:25:15 PM »

Not only what Jon said, but people didn't walk into the dealership to buy a Z28 because they wanted "conveniences". They bought a Z28 to race! Most Z28's were stripped down cars to keep the weight down. Nothing but the basics.

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« Reply #14 on: January 15, 2011, 01:27:43 PM »

It wasn't a matter of not trying. The Zone would just kick the order back to the dealer. In the book about his time at GM DeLorean states that up to 30% of all new car orders were incorrect. They did not have the resources to deal with BS like that. Back in '69 one of the pulp car mags tried to order a black '69 SS with no D90. Chevy refused the order. There is often an engineering reason for limiting equipment availability. Both track pace cars were converted to JL-8 for some reason. Why weren't they built with it?

Don't confuse Pete Estes with the average guy. He was General Manager of Chevy in '68; he could get what he wanted. He is in large part responsible for the ZL-1 Camaro; his name is on the broadcast sheets for #1 & #2. He left as GM February '69; De Lorean took over what turned out to be quite a mess. He did an excellent job of turning Chevy around.

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« Reply #15 on: January 15, 2011, 01:30:18 PM »

Back to the original question.  I think you're getting the question backwards.  The Conv. and the Coupe started with 2 different Model #'s,  you would be ordering the Z/28 option on a Convertible.
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« Reply #16 on: January 15, 2011, 02:05:44 PM »

Back to the original question.  I think you're getting the question backwards.  The Conv. and the Coupe started with 2 different Model #'s,  you would be ordering the Z/28 option on a Convertible.

The post had to due with the two options you could not order with a Z.   Someone said there were three with a convertible being the third.  I stated to him a convertible was not an option but a complete different car body or model.
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« Reply #17 on: January 15, 2011, 09:45:59 PM »

I think you could have convinced a dealer to do virtually anything you wanted once the car it the ground there, but not Chevrolet. There is distinct evidence that my son's RS had Rally Stripes and a cowl hood from at the least very early in life. Its a 12c car so hood is out of the question, plus no hole or cowl stuff just the hood. Now were they added before or after the sale?? I have spent my whole adult life in dealerships and I can tell you we will do just about anything for a customer that wants to pay for it. If oyu came in and wanted a Z/28 with an auto, 2 days later we would hand it to you. You wanted stripes, done. You wanted a ZL1 running gear and suspension on a RS convertible, sign right here.

Anything is possible, the probable is in question and the documentation doedsn't exist so far, but it wouldn't be factory. I heard a story maybe even on here, have no proof, I guy wanted a 75 T/A with a 427, a week and $2800 dollars later the car was delivered, I think the customer already owned it for 6 months or something.
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« Reply #18 on: January 16, 2011, 02:48:04 AM »

What was special about Jean Claude Killy's 69 Camaro?
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« Reply #19 on: January 16, 2011, 10:30:37 AM »

I think you could have convinced a dealer to do virtually anything you wanted once the car it the ground there, but not Chevrolet. There is distinct evidence that my son's RS had Rally Stripes and a cowl hood from at the least very early in life. Its a 12c car so hood is out of the question, plus no hole or cowl stuff just the hood. Now were they added before or after the sale?? I have spent my whole adult life in dealerships and I can tell you we will do just about anything for a customer that wants to pay for it. If oyu came in and wanted a Z/28 with an auto, 2 days later we would hand it to you. You wanted stripes, done. You wanted a ZL1 running gear and suspension on a RS convertible, sign right here.

Anything is possible, the probable is in question and the documentation doedsn't exist so far, but it wouldn't be factory. I heard a story maybe even on here, have no proof, I guy wanted a 75 T/A with a 427, a week and $2800 dollars later the car was delivered, I think the customer already owned it for 6 months or something.

When I was growing up in Morgantown, WV, Wilson's Chevrolet would do this at the request of the owner/buyer. Mr Wilson said if it was availalbe it could be done, maybe the factory wouldn't do it, but they would. An example I specifically remember was putting 12 bolt rears in 71-74 Camaros, they did it because the customer wanted it and paid for it. The dealer covered the issues/warrenty problems not the factory, although I think they massaged the paperwork to get things covered.
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« Reply #20 on: January 16, 2011, 11:07:26 AM »

Jon,
 ZL1 questions.
Did the dealer or the factory change motors to sell the cars? what did they do with the motors? A racer could have bought a ZL1 from Chevrolet with a VIN stamped on it? About how many were swapped?  Have any been reunited with it's birth car? What were the cars then sold as.. SS (396), COPO (427) or . . .??  Have all 69 bodies been accounted for?  Sorry for all the questions.... just thinking.
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« Reply #21 on: January 16, 2011, 11:27:56 AM »

Jon,
 ZL1 questions.
Did the dealer or the factory change motors to sell the cars? what did they do with the motors? A racer could have bought a ZL1 from Chevrolet with a VIN stamped on it? About how many were swapped?  Have any been reunited with it's birth car? What were the cars then sold as.. SS (396), COPO (427) or . . .??  Have all 69 bodies been accounted for?  Sorry for all the questions.... just thinking.
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« Reply #22 on: January 16, 2011, 12:00:03 PM »

vtfb68, hopefully the above link answers your questions. Lots of good info there.

As for the Jean Claude Killy '69 Z/28, below are some pictures from Michael Lamm's "The Great Camaro" book. Mr. Killy was the premier downhill slalom skier in the world back then and a very charismatic personality. Also paid by Chevrolet to promote its products. You can see if you look closely that the car has custom cloth upholstery. Also, the molded-in rear spoiler, the all-chrome rally wheels sans trim rings, the snow tires, ski rack, molded-in mud flaps with wheel well trim, unique stripes over the wheel openings, etc. I've never seen a color picture but it might have different color stripes other than black.

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« Reply #23 on: January 16, 2011, 12:08:45 PM »

Jon,
 ZL1 questions.
Did the dealer or the factory change motors to sell the cars? what did they do with the motors? A racer could have bought a ZL1 from Chevrolet with a VIN stamped on it? About how many were swapped?  Have any been reunited with it's birth car? What were the cars then sold as.. SS (396), COPO (427) or . . .??  Have all 69 bodies been accounted for?  Sorry for all the questions.... just thinking.
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http://www.camaros.org/copo.shtml

Yes, several dealers did remove original engines from ZL-1 Camaros. Some of the cars were acquired just to obtain an engine for a racer. Original ZL-1 engines were VIN stamped; some have been re-united with the original body. Not all 69 are presently accounted for.
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« Reply #24 on: January 18, 2011, 11:53:41 AM »

I am wondering.  If I really really wanted a Z/28 convertible, or a Z/28 automatic or Z/28 with AC, could I have gotten one if I was willing to pay a premium or sign off that the AC would not be warranted.  I suppose the issue was never tested because if you really wanted these items on a sporty Camaro, you just got and SS instead.  However, they did build that Z/28 convertible for Pete Estes.  So, I had a time machine and walked into a dealership and plunked down the full sticker price and say an additional $500 for "convenience", could I have gotten a convertible Z/28? 

I'll bet if I went to Gibb Chevrolet at the right time I could have gotten him to change one of those 50 ZL1's to a convertible RS with JL8, power windows and factory AC.  Tell me I'm not the only one that would do that if we had a time machine. 

I can only think it never happened because no one really tried.   

OK!  So now you get back out of the time machine and you are the richest man on the planet.  You stole the idea for the 'desktop PC and You Tube'
You walk into the nearest Chev dealership and tell them you want a 'ZR1 Convertible'      They.... Roll Eyes
Then you tell them 'you don't care what it costs'                                                         They... Shocked  then .... Roll Eyes
OK.... NOW you tell them you'll pay them $50K just to try to put in the order.......They  Grin and take your money.
No such luck!   Cry

Behind you walks in a Gentleman, who is the President of the largest shareholder in General Motors..... (Mr. Obama)...
He is immediately recognized as such and asks if he could please order the same car you wanted....
Now they pick up the phone and start making calls...... maybe he could get one.

Times change but some things do not.   Cheesy
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« Reply #25 on: January 18, 2011, 01:01:30 PM »

I'm sure you could find a dealer, order a ZL1 and a vert and pay the dealer to swap drive trains. Some dealers would pass on the chance, but someone would do it, or find you another shop to do it after delivery. It still wouldn't be a factory ZL1 vert. 
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« Reply #26 on: January 18, 2011, 04:29:52 PM »

The fact of the matter is NO Dealer, Chevrolet or otherwise, was free to modify cars starting with the 1968 model year. As Chevrolet was aware that some of its dealers were also in the speed shop business it issued Chevrolet Dealer Service Information Bulletin 68-I-4 "DEALER MODIFICATION OF AIR POLLUTION EQUIPPED MOTOR VEHICLES" on November 23, 1967.  The bulletin concludes: "If the vehicle is modified prior to sale by the sustitution of components not offered by the manufacturer for the particular vehicle, the modification, if it affects emissions, may put the vehicle outside the protection of the Federal Certificates and subject dealers to penalties."

While it may be fun to sit around the campfire and speculate about ZL-1 convertibles it wasn't happening. Dealers are smart businessmen not about to risk the franchise to make a sale.

No individual, not even President Obama, can acquire a car not EPA certified. Until Chevrolet has EPA approval for a ZR-1 roadster he isn't getting one.

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« Reply #27 on: January 19, 2011, 02:57:20 PM »

I am willing to bet that if Gibbs told the factory to make one or two RS Convertibles of his 50 Camaro ZL1 order, they would have.  It would have made no difference to them as its not really any extra work.  Just pull up a 12467 body and drop in the ZL1 stuff.  As long as Mr. Gibbs was moving large amounts of product, was a good franchise customer, and paid his invoices, I think it could have been done.  Back then an owner of a dealer could call up GM and if he knew the right people, could get it done.  The fact that Gibbs was even able to get them to build the ZL1 to begin with proves that you could move mountains if you had the money and the influence back then.  I may be wrong, but if you look at the 67-69 Camaros, there seems to be a lot of exceptions to the rules that shows that special things could be and were done if someone was willing to pay and knew the process.   

You can't use the argument that it won't happen today, therefore it couldn't have been done in 1969.  If a bigshot Chevy dealer tried to get GM to build 50 ZL1 Camaros today, it just plain wouldn't happen.   I believe that ordering a Camaro today is very different than in 1969. 

Again, just my opinion...I may be wrong.  Of course, there is no way to prove this since my current attempts at building a time machine have failed.  In fact, I suppose I should just stop trying to build one now since if I was successful, the first thing I would do is visit myself and show me how to build one.  Since I have not seen myself from the future I guess I never figured it out.  Or maybe I have to figure it out first and then I will get a visit from myself.  OUCH...my head hurts.       
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« Reply #28 on: January 19, 2011, 05:41:29 PM »

I have heard a very different story about whose idea the ZL-1 Camaro was. Fred Gibb Chev was a small store in rural IL that probably mostly sold trucks. There is no reason to believe he had any influence with Chevy. Estes wanted a ZL-1 Camaro; he and Gibb were acquainted through racing. So Gibb Chev became the selling dealer and it could have bankrupted him. Couldn't pay for them, couldn't sell them. Chevy took them back.

Sure you could get Chevy to do stuff through the COPO process. But it had to go through Engineering for a feasibility assessment; then Accounting for costing. In the MCR article many years ago Don Yenko stated he did that to get Chevy to warranty the 427 cars, which he had to pay for. Then Chevy screwed him by letting other dealers order "Yenko" Camaros. Berger proposed some COPO cars that were refused by Chevy. Not as cut and dried as you think.

In my 36 years of 1st gen Camaros I know of very, very few examples of "exceptions to the rules that shows that special things could be and were done if someone was willing to pay and knew the process." Sure would like to hear more about all these special Camaros you speak of.   



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« Reply #29 on: January 19, 2011, 05:44:55 PM »

This is way off base, but did anyone check out the shot of Killy's Z's rear treads? Are those tractor tires? Undecided

Oops...guess it was already pointed out in the description. Undecided

Thanks John...popped this in here before it expired...
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« Reply #30 on: January 19, 2011, 05:48:54 PM »

This is way off base, but did anyone check out the shot of Claude's Z's rear treads? Are those tractor tires? Undecided




vtfb68, hopefully the above link answers your questions. Lots of good info there.

As for the Jean Claude Killy '69 Z/28, below are some pictures from Michael Lamm's "The Great Camaro" book. Mr. Killy was the premier downhill slalom skier in the world back then and a very charismatic personality. Also paid by Chevrolet to promote its products. You can see if you look closely that the car has custom cloth upholstery. Also, the molded-in rear spoiler, the all-chrome rally wheels sans trim rings, the snow tires, ski rack, molded-in mud flaps with wheel well trim, unique stripes over the wheel openings, etc. I've never seen a color picture but it might have different color stripes other than black.

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« Reply #31 on: January 19, 2011, 06:07:18 PM »

If you want to know the whole truth about Fred Gibb Chevrolet check out this web site. Being from Illinois, I was at his dealership back in 1969 and saw the ZL1's that he had. There also was a ZL1 for sale at Huffman Chevrolet in Farmington, Illinois where I bought my 1968 Z28.
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« Reply #32 on: January 19, 2011, 08:11:22 PM »

Huffmans had 2 ZL-1s they ordered: #66 N644311 #67 N644314. #66 still exists.

The Gibb.com story is nice but the reality of it is the ZL-1s were a poor, costly business decision. The body numbers indicate the cars were ordered early December 1968 while bud Pete Estes was General Manager of Chevrolet. In the December 1989 Car Craft interview Gibb stated the cars were supposed to list for about $4900. Ultimately they were 50% higher and impossible to sell. If they were financed through GMAC and he never paid them, he actually couldn't sell them. GMAC probably had a rep there to ensure every car sold was paid off first. That's why many were sent to other dealers or returned to Chevy. I know the full history of our project, ZL-1 #4. It sat at Gibbs from March 11, 1969 until it was returned to Norwood, Ohio May 24, 1969. It ended up at Hauser Chev, Bethlehem PA early August '69. They ran a newspaper ad asking $6355; no sale. It ended up on the strip for the '70 NHRA season. By Spring '71 it was on the used car lot at Hauser with an iron 402 and sold for about $2895. Probably every dealer that got involved with ZL-1s back then regretted it.
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« Reply #33 on: January 19, 2011, 11:23:41 PM »

I hope I did not offend anyone by saying that this web site was the whole truth about Fred Gibb Chevrolet. I used very poor wording. I just think this web site has a lot of information about Fred Gibb that a lot of forum readers might not know.
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« Reply #34 on: January 20, 2011, 08:10:23 AM »

The Gibb site is fine, just not very informative. He was interviewed a few times in the '80s and made some interesting statements. He said they sold "a few" '69 COPO Camaros and Chevelles and did quite a few 427 conversions of L78 cars starting in '68. He never mentioned Pete Estes but was good friends with Vince Piggins, the executive responsiible for the creation of the Z/28. Piggins likely engineered the
ZL-1 Camaro program but Estes name is on the broadcast sheets for #1 & #2. The owner of #4 at the time, also a former Chevrolet dealer, visited with him when we finished the car. Fred was kind enough to sign a document for it. He said that he tried to order the ZL-1s heater delete but it wasn't allowed. Ultimately he sold very few of the cars. Most were sent back to the Norwood Camaro plant, some others DX'd to other Chevy dealers. Dale Chev here in Waukesha WI received #7 and #49.

All of the Gibb Chevrolet dealership paperwork still exists.

The ZL-1s made Fred Gibb a Chevy legend but also caused him much grief, never said a word about it.
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« Reply #35 on: January 20, 2011, 12:45:25 PM »

I guess my observation is that since Fred Gibb ordered so many ZL-1's, without any buyers on hand, had trouble selling them and many were sent back due to the inability to move them, that surely, If I walked in his dealership at just the right time, stated I wanted one of his 50 ZL-1's, only I wanted to add an RS front end, deluxe interior, power windows, heck, maybe even a convertible and JL8 along with some vigilante light monitoring system, throw in the rear tire traction control squirters as well, and I plunked down the full purchase price on his desk, I strongly feel there is a highly likely chance I would have gotten what I wanted.  I mean, if Mr. Gibb was willing to take a chance on 50 Camaros that may not sell well, surely he would attempt to make a definate sale if all he had to do was check off a few extra option boxes on his order.  After all Mr. Gibb was a business man and GM wanted to sell Camaros.  If they were willing to take a chance and put an all aluminum race motor in a stripped down Camaro and "HOPE" someone will buy it, then it is highly likely they would have gone just a little bit further if someone dropped $8,000 in front of them. 

They had paint deletes and special colors and striping requests that were probably more inconvenient to the factory than simply putting a ZL-1 motor in a nicely optioned convertible instead of a plain jane coupe.  I wish I could test my theory, but I can't.  However, I bet it is more likely than not it could have been done.  Again, I could be wrong. 

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« Reply #36 on: January 20, 2011, 12:51:12 PM »

Since they couldn't sell the ZL1's already on hand, it would have been difficult to place another order for an even more expensive version. Just my opinion.
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« Reply #37 on: January 20, 2011, 01:13:27 PM »

<<I mean, if Mr. Gibb was willing to take a chance on 50 Camaros that may not sell well, surely he would attempt to make a definate sale if all he had to do was check off a few extra option boxes on his order.>>

He ordered them after being assured that the package would cost about $1,000, which would bring the car in at about $4200.00. When they came off the truck, the option (and his invoices) for the package were priced at $4,160.00, which brought the bottom line price to $7,300.00. You can bet your bottom dollar that if he knew going in that they'd cost $3,160.00 more than he was told, he never would have ordered them at all.
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« Reply #38 on: January 21, 2011, 02:15:54 PM »

I am sure many of us would love to go back in time and help poor Mr. Gibb out and take those monstrosities off his hands.  I bet most of us would even be willing to pay full sticker price for them. 

I did hear that as late as 1971, there were still ZL-1 on the showroom floors until GM finally came across with some rebate money to the dealers to get them sold. 

I suppose if you take into consideration that there was a new body style (after all, who would buy a 2004 Mustang when the 2005 body style came out?   Not many i bet), These cars were bare bones in options, were priced well over that of a fully decked out SS396 or Z28, and were probably not all that easy to drive.  If only people knew.  I would bet that if I bought one brand new, put it in air conditioned storage and didn't put a single mile on it...what do you guys think it would be worth?

How many of the 69 ZL-1 are accounted for?  (both engines and bodies).  In other workds, are there 40 engines known to still exist but only 25 bodies? What is the lowest mileaged one or best survivor?  Is it possible that somewhere in the hills of Tennessee could be a stripped out no optioned ZL-1 that is just sitting there waiting for someone in the know to check its VIN?  Are the ones that are totaled or crushed documented?  Do we have these ZL-1 documented somewhere unlike the rest of the 69's.  VINS, options, colors, etc.  Finally, what ever happened to the black and gold RS I saw pictured years ago as a ZL-1 possible offering?

Does anyone have a book out that is equal to what Crispino, Hooper or Jerry MacNeish have written?   

Boy I ask a lot of questions, but I can't think I'm the only one that would love to know this.  I would love to know how many ZL-1 are lost and have the VIN list if it exists so I can start my cross country quest for the Holy Grail, like King Arthur's knights.

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« Reply #39 on: January 21, 2011, 05:08:44 PM »





How many of the 69 ZL-1 are accounted for?  (both engines and bodies).  In other workds, are there 40 engines known to still exist but only 25 bodies? What is the lowest mileaged one or best survivor?  Is it possible that somewhere in the hills of Tennessee could be a stripped out no optioned ZL-1 that is just sitting there waiting for someone in the know to check its VIN?  Are the ones that are totaled or crushed documented?  Do we have these ZL-1 documented somewhere unlike the rest of the 69's.  VINS, options, colors, etc. 






Just by chance have you looked at Jerry MacNeish 4th Edition. Page 231/232 has some good information you might be interested in.
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« Reply #40 on: January 21, 2011, 05:30:07 PM »

Nope, I just have the 3rd ed.

If this page helps answer some of my questions, would you be able to scan it and send it?

Thanks,

Steve
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« Reply #41 on: January 21, 2011, 06:28:25 PM »

I would do it in a New York minute but my printer went kaput last week and I ain't got it fixed yet. Angry
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« Reply #42 on: January 21, 2011, 08:14:43 PM »

Steve  .................... just sent you an email
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« Reply #43 on: January 23, 2011, 10:38:52 AM »

Not only have I repeatedly run missing ZL-1 VIN many times I can think of a few others who continue to check on them. Chances of finding one via VIN search is near zero. One seems to turn up every few years, usually as the skeletal remains of a former race car. And don't buy one in Canada...
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