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GI JOE

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is a non-doc 68 Z28 worth buying???
« on: November 29, 2010, 04:37:21 AM »
I am going to be looking at a clean original 1968 z28 numbers matching car that is driven and garaged. From the photos it appears not in bad shape and only tires, booster and Master cylinder look changed,.. all the rest looks right...  So the big question, since there is a big price tag... 

Is it worth getting into a non-documented 68 z28, ( i.e. NO POP, invoice, etc...)?    I am assuming I will find no questionable parts and all born with items... 
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Re: is a non-doc 68 Z28 worth buying???
« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2010, 07:17:06 AM »
With the amount of potential fraud, I would suggest inspection by an authority before any signifigant investment.
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Re: is a non-doc 68 Z28 worth buying???
« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2010, 10:24:07 AM »
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Re: is a non-doc 68 Z28 worth buying???
« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2010, 02:32:43 PM »
All of the drive train stampings and the car can be certified through data analysis in a written report.  That is what we do at CHP.  So, the answer is if the drive train is real, it's a good car to buy!

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Re: is a non-doc 68 Z28 worth buying???
« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2010, 03:59:18 PM »
From your observations it appears you have knowledge of what to look for. Jerry's thoughts are right on of course and the main thing I would be looking at is the block stamping to determine if it is in fact the orig. born with one. The trans would be my 2nd major look see. If the car has its born with MO block that in itself is documentation IMHO that the car is in fact an orig. Z/28. Two years ago I found the orig. owner of an early 69 Z/28 (no X code) and reunited him with his born with DZ block that was in our corvette since 1979. He had purchased the 69 Z in 1981 and told me he was questioned over the years many times how he knew it was an orig. Z/28 but now with the born with DZ block he had his documentation as it was a cherry unmolested pad clearly showing his vin. When we purchased our 68 Z/28 in the early 80's I had no documentation but knew the MO block and trans were orig. to the car. Interesting to note that we now have documentation obtained just this past July from the orig. owner who I found a little over two years ago, but not having paperwork would not stop me. And we need to remember there are a lot of cars out there with forged paperwork (documents) as that has happened over and over especially in the Corvette world, i.e. 67 427-435hp  When and where was the car built? Can you give some information on asking price? Happy hunting and good luck as 68 Z/28's with their born with engine are not plentiful.
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Re: is a non-doc 68 Z28 worth buying???
« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2010, 04:40:32 PM »
Here is the list from the camaro.net group that have 68 Z/28's. Many of those members are also members on this great site.
Good luck again!
http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=182224
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68 Z/28 NOR 01B Orig motor/trans/rear
69 Z/28 NOR 07A Orig Block & GM Cross-ram/carbs
69 L34 Rest. Nova Father/Son Car
69 L78 Surv Nova Purch 4/69 31K miles
67 L89 Corv Tribute
68 Corv 427/400 Orig motor
07 Corv Z06
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GI JOE

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Re: is a non-doc 68 Z28 worth buying???
« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2010, 12:54:05 AM »
Well I looked at the 68 Z28.  It is a 01A car.  Older restoration, fair at best, IM-humble-O.  What do you guys think of this stamp?
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Re: is a non-doc 68 Z28 worth buying???
« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2010, 02:15:52 AM »
Well I looked at the 68 Z28.  It is a 01A car.  Older restoration, fair at best, IM-humble-O.  What do you guys think of this stamp?
Here is the pad of our 68 01B Z/28. Tough to see the broach part in your picture.
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Re: is a non-doc 68 Z28 worth buying???
« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2010, 02:38:39 AM »
Well I looked at the 68 Z28.  It is a 01A car.  Older restoration, fair at best, IM-humble-O.  What do you guys think of this stamp?

It's not the best photo, but IMO, it's a restamp.

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Re: is a non-doc 68 Z28 worth buying???
« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2010, 03:46:29 AM »
I'd want  better photo of the stamp.
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Re: is a non-doc 68 Z28 worth buying???
« Reply #10 on: December 04, 2010, 04:08:42 AM »
I agree there are some things other than not the best of pic for seeing the pad surface that cause some flags to go up, hence the reason I shared our orig. pad. Pretty obvious I believe..... But no expert here!
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Re: is a non-doc 68 Z28 worth buying???
« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2010, 12:01:52 PM »
Just my non-expert opinion:

For a pad that looks like it was rusted considerably at some point the numbers look amazingly well defined and deep.
The font for the vin portion looks misaligned and possibly odd.
The picture is taken too far away to detect any decking marks if present.
The font of the application portion (especially the I's) looks wierd and misaligned.

It all could be compounded by the paint still present in the stamping characters and a better cleaning and closer picture might help define the characters and these alignment issues some...

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Re: is a non-doc 68 Z28 worth buying???
« Reply #12 on: December 04, 2010, 05:07:31 PM »
Well, I dont consider myself an expert either.  I have owned a couple 68zs, have several original 68 blocks with good stamps. But besides the stamp in
question here for the guy who started this thread, IMHO, the stamp for 68camaroz28's " 1221 Mo "  stamp is a restamp also. 

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Re: is a non-doc 68 Z28 worth buying???
« Reply #13 on: December 04, 2010, 05:43:03 PM »
Well, I dont consider myself an expert either.  I have owned a couple 68zs, have several original 68 blocks with good stamps. But besides the stamp in
question here for the guy who started this thread, IMHO, the stamp for 68camaroz28's " 1221 Mo "  stamp is a restamp also. 

There's nothing wrong with Chick's stamp from what I can tell (again I'm no expert) but it is stamped on the location of the pad as most good stamps I have seen are, it has the proper broach marks from what little I know they should look like and the font, stamping depth,spacing, and use if I's for 1's all are valid in appearance and match what my engine stamp looks like...
To make such a statement as you have - care to elaborate on why you consider it has problems?

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Re: is a non-doc 68 Z28 worth buying???
« Reply #14 on: December 04, 2010, 07:52:25 PM »
Chick's pad looks fine to me. Need a closer/higher-resolution photo of the other one to make any sort of judgment, but from what I can see it appears suspect.
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