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KurtS

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Re: is a non-doc 68 Z28 worth buying???
« Reply #15 on: December 04, 2010, 08:03:43 PM »
Joe,
Do you have a larger version of that pic that you can send me?

I agree, it's not looking good so far. But hard to tell for sure.
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Re: is a non-doc 68 Z28 worth buying???
« Reply #16 on: December 04, 2010, 10:34:19 PM »
Well, I dont consider myself an expert either.  I have owned a couple 68zs, have several original 68 blocks with good stamps. But besides the stamp in
question here for the guy who started this thread, IMHO, the stamp for 68camaroz28's " 1221 Mo "  stamp is a restamp also.  

Wow, for a person who has owned a couple 68 Z's I'm taken back by your comment. Any person of genuine knowledge I'm confident would agree this is the real deal, i.e. broach marks and stamp configurations. If I may ask what do you find is incorrect? Sorry Joe, as I do not wish to hijack your thread. And thanks Randy and John for the support...... ;D
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69 Z/28 NOR 07A Orig Block & GM Cross-ram/carbs
69 L34 Rest. Nova Father/Son Car
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Re: is a non-doc 68 Z28 worth buying???
« Reply #17 on: December 05, 2010, 02:51:31 AM »
Don't get too worried about it.  I posted a stamp of an original 69 302 and people thought it looked funny too.  It wasn't and it was a huge picture with the broach marks as obvious as any.  Some people are always going to say something looks suspect, but they may be looking at things that aren't the tell-tale items that need to be looked at.
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Re: is a non-doc 68 Z28 worth buying???
« Reply #18 on: December 05, 2010, 06:06:51 PM »
Anyone who thinks Chicks v1221mo stamp is not original is nuts! John 

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Re: is a non-doc 68 Z28 worth buying???
« Reply #19 on: December 07, 2010, 01:56:42 AM »
But we know what to look for john.  And before people ask, it's not Kosher to put this on the net as the crooks will have an idea on how to make better forgeries.

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Re: is a non-doc 68 Z28 worth buying???
« Reply #20 on: December 07, 2010, 02:38:40 AM »
Anyone who thinks Chicks v1221mo stamp is not original is nuts! John 

thanks John!

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Re: is a non-doc 68 Z28 worth buying???
« Reply #21 on: December 07, 2010, 03:04:35 AM »
Chicks stamp is fine and original.  The other one is an obvious fake.  NG.  Move on.

Sorry to be the grim reaper here.  I seem to be this a lot over the past couple of years.........

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Re: is a non-doc 68 Z28 worth buying???
« Reply #22 on: December 07, 2010, 03:51:38 AM »
Quote

The other one is an obvious fake.  NG.  Move on.

Sorry to be the grim reaper here.  I seem to be this a lot over the past couple of years.........

Jerry

Jerry

I'm sure you will agree that it will probably only get worse as time goes on...
I'm sure also from a buyer's point of view, I would much prefer to hear the bad news from experts like yourself and Kurt now, rather than later after its too late!

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Re: is a non-doc 68 Z28 worth buying???
« Reply #23 on: December 07, 2010, 05:22:24 AM »
Hi everyone,, and thanks for all the help... I was on military duty over the weekend so I am just now able to reply.  Here are some close ups of the pad.
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Re: is a non-doc 68 Z28 worth buying???
« Reply #24 on: December 07, 2010, 05:25:47 AM »
another close up

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Re: is a non-doc 68 Z28 worth buying???
« Reply #25 on: December 07, 2010, 07:00:06 AM »
Thanks for confirming what I was suspect of but I am no expert so I asked you guys...  Jerry, I would rather you told me the grim news.. thanks my friend.  I was so hoping i would find enough correct components that I would be hiring you to inspect and verify this car...

The heads, valve covers, carb, and air cleaner were not OEM... The Alt is # 110077?  6 blank blank with a correct deep groove pulley which appears OEM and not a re-pop.... but I think this is not the OEM Alt...Decal is AY E70 x15... the rear axle stamp is BU 0702G....Block date is H 10 7 CAST 3914678,... Dist is 1111266 7G 20... all the other other items appear correct...  So is it a Z28???

and lastly I agree... we should be careful with how much we post so as to not educate the bad guys on making better fakes...

 

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Re: is a non-doc 68 Z28 worth buying???
« Reply #26 on: December 07, 2010, 12:35:07 PM »
and lastly I agree... we should be careful with how much we post so as to not educate the bad guys on making better fakes...

    I completely agree with the above statement.  And I'm sorry, but that is why I can not type what I believe is wrong with
"Chicks" stamp.  I just wanted to help GI Joe out and not let him throw good money at a non original car.   GIJOE - you mis-typed
yahoo, please re send.

Chick, I did not put that out there to disgruntle you, but just FYI.   Of course, since Jerry says its good, whats my .02 worth??


NUTS  -    what they called a common man named chris, who stated that the world was round.

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Re: is a non-doc 68 Z28 worth buying???
« Reply #27 on: December 07, 2010, 06:58:53 PM »
I have other date stamps on the same date as Chicks.  Very easy to verify. 

About 20 years ago, I wrote an article for one of the Camaro mags on the '68 Norwood and early '69 Norwood vin stampings.  Looking back, I had wished I hadn't wrote it as it helps the counterfeiters but these vin stamps are the hardest to restamp and fake and I have been studying these stampings now for over 25 years.

You'll notice that the block surface is actually distorted around the ones from who ever stamped this block.  The numbers were stamped here one by one, thus distorting the block surface.  This is not the way the plant did it.

Jerry