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67jeffreyt

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Re: 68 z/28 question of authenticity
« Reply #15 on: March 22, 2018, 01:58:23 PM »
Too much work for me.   I was just asking because 68 seems to be the most difficult year to determine a real car, either SS or z/28
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Re: 68 z/28 question of authenticity
« Reply #16 on: March 22, 2018, 02:12:46 PM »
On the engine stamp it looks like CE A, on this site it states it should be a number for the year after the CE, so is that wrong also on this cars engine?
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Re: 68 z/28 question of authenticity
« Reply #17 on: March 22, 2018, 02:34:31 PM »
On the engine stamp it looks like CE A, on this site it states it should be a number for the year after the CE, so is that wrong also on this cars engine?

The number after the A is a 1 - so its a 1971 assemby.
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Re: 68 z/28 question of authenticity
« Reply #18 on: March 22, 2018, 02:59:16 PM »
Oh ok thank you
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Re: 68 z/28 question of authenticity
« Reply #19 on: March 22, 2018, 11:49:18 PM »
having the Protecto Plate is the only way to truly verify any 1968 Camaro.   There are several things that give you an Idea if a car is a true Z car.  Leaf springs, wheels, brake booster, master cylinder, alternator.   Many of those parts get changed for many many reasons.   Jerry MacNeish is such a polarizing person.  Especially here on the east coast.  I mentioned his name at two different car shows an had people snap around and tell me he was a crook.  I have no opinion either way.  I had spoken to him.  He was nice and took time to talk to me.  He has published many good books about the cars and their special parts.   I used to me active in spotting fakes, but have focused my attention on other things.   As stated earlier, the seller  should have Jerrys report and should have NO PROBLEM showing you and providing you a copy.  Also I would personally call and ask Jerry if he had ever Verified the car.  Lots of fakes any more.  It make me mad that people twist word to lie, but not lie in their eyes about a car they are selling.   It has become a free for all, with buyer beware your problem.   I am by no means an expert, but have learned a lot buy reading the good and the bad stories.   Arm yourself with knowledge and go with your gut.  THIS IS HANDS DOWN THE BEST CAMARO SITE ANYWHERE.  I had owned  a 68 Z28 RS M22 4.56 posi car.  It had the protecto plate.  I had been wrecked so the engine trans and disc brakes were all gone.   The interior was removed, including the glove box door with the 15 inch wheel sticker.   It did have the original 4.56 posi rear in it with the 4 leaf springs.   I paid fair money for it and spent plenty on it.  I was approached by some one who asked if I would sell.  He caught me at just the right time.  I sold my most attainable dream car realizing there are more and I can come back to that someday.  I still own 4 first gen cars so no big loss for me.   I took a quick look at the car and see many of the special parts missing.  All I can say is arm yourself with knowledge and try to back up anyones statement.   

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Re: 68 z/28 question of authenticity
« Reply #20 on: March 23, 2018, 02:25:22 AM »
having the Protecto Plate is the only way to truly verify any 1968 Camaro.   

I don't disagree with what you propose, but just like to add that other forms of documentation (like dealer invoices, MSO's) are good. too. Almost anything nowadays can be faked, cloned or duplicated - P-O-P's included; The more documentation you can collect, the more solid the case for originality. And you are right - this is the best site for trained, experienced and knowledgeable support of First Gens, without question. I've read Jerry's books forever, know them front to back, but I still learn something new just about every time I sign in at CRG.

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Re: 68 z/28 question of authenticity
« Reply #21 on: March 23, 2018, 12:38:50 PM »
Yes, there is more than one way to document a 68.
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Re: 68 z/28 question of authenticity
« Reply #22 on: March 23, 2018, 04:19:49 PM »
Too much work for me.   I was just asking because 68 seems to be the most difficult year to determine a real car, either SS or z/28

It seems to be, but it isn't really. The only thing 67 and some 69 have extra to help is the trim tag, which is easily reproduced or replaced from a real car. Reproduced is sometime easy to spot, but not always. Replaced with a real tag from another car, not so easy to tell.

There is no short cut to determining a real car, and if you reply on a trim tag alone you will get burned. In addition, all 1969 LOS cars and early Norwood cars have no X codes, so same as all 68's.

I once checked what year was the favorite owned among the people who know these cars best, the CRG members. Can you believe it is the 1968 Camaro?

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Re: 68 z/28 question of authenticity
« Reply #23 on: March 23, 2018, 06:54:11 PM »
That's an old friend of mines shop.
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Re: 68 z/28 question of authenticity
« Reply #24 on: March 24, 2018, 01:07:00 AM »
All input is appreciated
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Re: 68 z/28 question of authenticity
« Reply #25 on: March 24, 2018, 01:43:35 PM »
That's an old friend of mines shop.

See if you can find out if the M22 is original and the axle code, please.

They haven’t answered any of my questions.
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1967 Camaro RS/SS 396 coupe L35/M40 - 4 generation family project
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Re: 68 z/28 question of authenticity
« Reply #26 on: March 24, 2018, 01:52:35 PM »
That's an old friend of mines shop.

See if you can find out if the M22 is original and the axle code, please.

They haven’t answered any of my questions.
I'll see what I can do,  but I haven't talked to him in years. I know someone that still horse trades with him. I'll see what he says.
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Re: 68 z/28 question of authenticity
« Reply #27 on: March 25, 2018, 11:50:07 PM »
Transmission is from a 65 full size, not original. They tried to get the axle code but didn’t look in the correct location.
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Looking for 68 Camaro with body # NOR 181016

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Re: 68 z/28 question of authenticity
« Reply #28 on: April 03, 2018, 10:48:36 PM »
I'd say too much and possibly not a true z car
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Re: 68 z/28 question of authenticity
« Reply #29 on: April 05, 2018, 12:46:30 AM »
I looked at this car last week, just spotted it driving by. I'd be happy to answer any questions about what I saw.