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Highly Documented Resto, Reference Quality-My youknowhat 69 Z
« on: November 09, 2016, 03:02:41 AM »
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Chevrolet-Camaro-/351900595616?forcerrptr=true&hash=item51eee8f5a0:g:chwAAOSw5cNYIkAh&item=351900595616

Reference quality on how NOT to restore-No disc brake medallion on brake pedal, no clock w U17...and that was at a glance.
For that kind of money...better keep comments to myself. No disrespect if it is a member's car, but there are several egregious errors to dispell the claim.
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Re: Highly Documented Resto, Reference Quality-My youknowhat 69 Z
« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2016, 03:34:45 AM »
He doesn't really say it is as built either. Doesn't say original engine or trans, just correct.
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Re: Highly Documented Resto, Reference Quality-My youknowhat 69 Z
« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2016, 03:05:48 PM »
In my opinion, one of the places I would not buy a car
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Re: Highly Documented Resto, Reference Quality-My youknowhat 69 Z
« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2016, 05:33:18 PM »
VIN: 124379N590547

Already discussed here...  http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=14354.msg126572#msg126572

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Re: Highly Documented Resto, Reference Quality-My youknowhat 69 Z
« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2016, 05:43:57 PM »
Wasn't the bright pedal trim on the Z 23 option ?

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Re: Highly Documented Resto, Reference Quality-My youknowhat 69 Z
« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2016, 06:39:44 PM »
Like so may cars being offered today, Camaro Hi-Performance looks it over, issues a "Certificate" and the seller posts the first page of it like it's some sort of validation. I'm getting sick and tired of seeing the first page of these reports in the past year where the rest is omitted from the sales ad because the cars simply don't check out.

If it were me certifying cars for authenticity, no certificate would be issued until the car meets a certain criteria of originality or restoration. There'd be one for : Correct Restored, Original Restored, Modified Restored, and Original & Survivor Class. No cookie cutter cover Cert where people try to attach it to the sale thereof and attempt to make it look right when it isn't.

As far as dealers go, there isn't a single one that I'd buy a car from. Period.

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Re: Highly Documented Resto, Reference Quality-My youknowhat 69 Z
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2016, 07:29:42 PM »
Depends on how you look at it.  In a sense, yes the certificate is validation that we are at least looking at a real Z28.   I agree we would all want to see all the pages if we wanted to buy it, but for the purposes of the initial ad I think the first page of the certificate gets the point across.   That point being that we are at minimum looking at a real Z28 and that obstacle can be checked off the list.  If Jerry certified it you can at least be comfortable that the tag, and vin are correct and belong on the car.   That alone is a huge plus considering there are about 50,000 69 Z28's floating around now, lol.

As far as the rest of the car, for the money he is asking, the rest of the report becomes more critical.  I'm sure any interested party will be able to view the whole report and make their own mind.  Just because we can't see it all in the add doesn't necessarily mean deception.  Someone interested simply needs to look at the car closely.

Even with all the restoration mistakes, the one plus that I can take away from it, at least we are looking at an X77 that someone didn't add the exterior trim...

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Re: Highly Documented Resto, Reference Quality-My youknowhat 69 Z
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2016, 09:28:39 PM »
Even with all the restoration mistakes, the one plus that I can take away from it, at least we are looking at an X77 that someone didn't add the exterior trim...
I agree with you here...but aren't the front and rear lights trim added? ;)
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Re: Highly Documented Resto, Reference Quality-My youknowhat 69 Z
« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2016, 09:41:17 PM »
Yes Hakan, you are correct. The headlight trim and taillights are X33 pieces. Maybe they ran into he same problem as you and could not find the standard pieces. Or  more likely they did not realize they are incorrect when it was restored.
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Re: Highly Documented Resto, Reference Quality-My youknowhat 69 Z
« Reply #9 on: November 10, 2016, 12:19:13 AM »
I don't know about the front lights but the rear lights are only sold new this way.  Can't buy the lights without the trim.  Guess you could try removing it but not sure how that might turn out.

It's the other trim I'm glad to see hasn't been added, because once that's done you have paint work on your hands to correct it.  Just nice to see one still without it for a change.

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Re: Highly Documented Resto, Reference Quality-My youknowhat 69 Z
« Reply #10 on: November 10, 2016, 03:45:47 AM »
I don't know about the front lights but the rear lights are only sold new this way.  Can't buy the lights without the trim.  Guess you could try removing it but not sure how that might turn out.

Trim pieces are glued on the tail lights, glue sometimes gives up on it's own. Used to be able to buy standard lenses, probably  discoed years ago. I bought a couple as backups for my X77 years back, 80's.
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Re: Highly Documented Resto, Reference Quality-My youknowhat 69 Z
« Reply #11 on: November 10, 2016, 03:48:07 AM »
Why even issue a certificate? The appraisal page is all that matters.

Ugh on the repro door panels that they never even put the Camaro emblems on.
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Re: Highly Documented Resto, Reference Quality-My youknowhat 69 Z
« Reply #12 on: November 10, 2016, 01:25:46 PM »
I don't know about the front lights but the rear lights are only sold new this way.  Can't buy the lights without the trim.  Guess you could try removing it but not sure how that might turn out.

Trim pieces are glued on the tail lights, glue sometimes gives up on it's own. Used to be able to buy standard lenses, probably  discoed years ago. I bought a couple as backups for my X77 years back, 80's.

Yes the glue can give up on it's own.  That happened to my tail lights but they were the original 46 year old lights sitting in a desert climate.   I'm not sure how easy it would be to pull off trim on a brand new set.  Never tried it.  I'm sure if careful it could be done.

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Re: Highly Documented Resto, Reference Quality-My youknowhat 69 Z
« Reply #13 on: November 10, 2016, 01:30:21 PM »
Why even issue a certificate? The appraisal page is all that matters.

Ugh on the repro door panels that they never even put the Camaro emblems on.

   What do you mean why issue a Certificate?   Does it not at a minimum document the car as a real Z28?    That part seems kind of important.
   

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Re: Highly Documented Resto, Reference Quality-My youknowhat 69 Z
« Reply #14 on: November 10, 2016, 02:22:49 PM »
I agree with Kurt re the 'certificate'.... based on the ones I've seen. 
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