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Confirmation of original engine
« on: August 28, 2015, 08:44:40 PM »
Is it possible to determine with certainty whether my engine is original to my '67 Camaro?

VIN = 124377N189128
Cowl Tag indicates  01D build date and  Norwood assembly (NOR 74367)
Engine Code from engine pad  V0202MA  (no partial VIN)

I interpret these codes to indicate the following,
-  engine assembly from engine code Feb 2,
-  build date from cowl tag Jan 4th week,
-  serial number from VIN (189128) maps to a March production

I understand engine code dates can be later than cowl tag build date.  Is the VIN serial number inconsistent with the build date or engine code?  Is there anything else I can do to confirm whether engine is original to the car?  Any help is appreciated.

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Re: Confirmation of original engine
« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2015, 09:39:19 PM »
What is the engine block casting number and casting date?

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Re: Confirmation of original engine
« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2015, 09:40:08 PM »
I hate to have to tell you this, but it looks like either your tag or VIN is from a different car.  You'll want to check the partial VIN on the cowl. http://www.camaros.org/numbers.shtml#PartialVIN

Can you post a picture of the cowl tag? That NOR # doesn't look right for that date.
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Re: Confirmation of original engine
« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2015, 04:29:33 PM »
I have attached a pic of the cowl tag.  I will hunt for the engine block numbers later today and post.

I have owned and driven the car for many years with the assumption that the engine was not original.  I'm now finally beginning a process of gathering the relevant information and looking more deeply to determine what is original to the car and what is not.

It has been painted White (by a previous owner) and later Marina Blue (by my teenage self), but the original color is Sierra Fawn.  There is also rectangular opening in the floor hump for a shifter, but the car is a 3spd manual with a shifter on the column.  So, there has clearly been some work done.  I have had many years of enjoyment from this car and I'm not particularly concerned if the car has been pieced together previously as I suspect.  Of course it would be a pleasant surprise to find otherwise.

Thanks for the help.





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Re: Confirmation of original engine
« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2015, 08:29:17 PM »
I thought for a minute you might have been wrong on the engine code (the "K" was throwing me off). Need '67 expert '67 opinions !

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Re: Confirmation of original engine
« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2015, 11:14:15 PM »
Still haven't been able to get to the block casting number.  Any tricks to getting to this while the engine is installed?

I did however find the axle code.  PW 10 21 G.  Oct 21 certainly sounds disconnected from the other dates.  I am now assuming this was salvaged from another vehicle.

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Re: Confirmation of original engine
« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2015, 12:25:44 AM »
I can provide some information from my car. The Vin is close to KY67's  car. Hope it is useful.

Vin:7N185414

BDY: 85174

Build date: 02E


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Re: Confirmation of original engine
« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2015, 01:43:31 AM »
Thanks! There are some atypical features of that tag, but I don't think it's anything.
But the VIN is way off. As you can see from LVN's VIN, yours should be a March car, not a January car.
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Re: Confirmation of original engine
« Reply #8 on: August 30, 2015, 11:46:44 PM »
KY67,

You can probably see the casting number by looking directly down just in front of the firewall on the drivers side, just behind the drivers side cylinder head.

And yes, axle probably from another car.
Bryon / 1968 Camaro SS 396 coupe - now old school 468 big block
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Re: Confirmation of original engine
« Reply #9 on: September 04, 2015, 09:57:45 PM »
I have attached pics of the VIN and Engine Casting Number.  However, I still cannot locate the Casting Date. 

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Re: Confirmation of original engine
« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2015, 10:01:18 PM »
..and here are pics of where I thought I would find the casting date.  Am I in the wrong place? 
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Re: Confirmation of original engine
« Reply #11 on: September 04, 2015, 10:41:39 PM »
Casting date will be behind the distributor area down on the bell housing flange. More toward the passenger side relative to the last image you posted.
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Re: Confirmation of original engine
« Reply #12 on: September 09, 2015, 07:50:47 PM »
Thanks bcmiller.

Here is as pic of the casting date.  The L, 2, and 9 are obvious.  Is that a 3,8 or simply a stamp mark following the 9?  Any opinions?

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Re: Confirmation of original engine
« Reply #13 on: September 09, 2015, 07:59:41 PM »
Looks like L 29 8 to me.  Is L Dec? Dec 29 68?
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Re: Confirmation of original engine
« Reply #14 on: September 09, 2015, 08:15:44 PM »
Here is as pic of the casting date.  The L, 2, and 9 are obvious.  Is that a 3,8 or simply a stamp mark following the 9?  Any opinions?

Looks like L 29 8 to me.  Is L Dec? Dec 29 68?

It has to be L 29 6 (December 29, 1966) with a 3892657 block casting number.

http://www.camaros.org/drivetrain.shtml#BlockCast

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