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« on: July 26, 2014, 11:01:55 AM »

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chevrolet-Camaro-Z28-VERY-RARE-HIGHLY-DOCUMENTED-PRISTINE-TOTALLY-RESTORED-SHOWROOM-CONIDITION-/151365002981?forcerrptr=true&hash=item233e0ea6e5&item=151365002981&pt=US_Cars_Trucks

This ebay ad prominently mentions documents and features several photos of them. The alleged ‘original’ documents have several inconsistencies with genuine original 1969 Camaro documentation.

Exception Control Letters [ECL] are the two-character alpha codes listed after the option; A01 is tinted glass, AA is the ECL for the specific build. ECLs are application-specific; there are at least 22 for Z22. 5 of the ECLs on the documents for this car are inconsistent with others in the database. In addition there are two spelling errors and an error in the listing of the options.

The ad states: “The window sticker and shipper sheet reflect…and the D80 rear [?] spoiler option” however air spoiler equipment is not listed on the paperwork, such as it is. The car has C08 Vinyl Roof Cover and Z21 Style Trim Group, also not listed on the purported original documents. The ad claims a stereo radio but the documents list the U69 monaural am/fm.

There are several incorrect or missing components evident in the photos: headers, no AIR system, master cylinder, trunk mat, stripe color, ducted hood.

The ad boasts “Send your inspector today!” I second that motion.
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« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2014, 04:38:53 PM »


Thanks William, I am high bidder thought the paperwork looked right guess I will not keep bidding it up. Darrell
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« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2014, 06:56:38 PM »

Thanks William, I am high bidder thought the paperwork looked right guess I will not keep bidding it up. Darrell
Darrell, even though reserve hasn't been met and you're in no danger of 'winning', if I were you, I'd retract my bid(s) on the car.
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« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2014, 08:49:22 PM »

I am not sure I would even pursue this car in light of what William discloses. Further, I would not deal with someone with no eBay history like this seller. Some are scams (I have seen exposed over on sYc).  Not saying this seller is a scam, but with no selling/buying history...well lets just say, I have been burned numerous times and that is with 100% Positive feedback history from sellers. I would not proceed with caution, but run away while you can. My .02 cents.
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1969 SS/RS 396 coupe Hugger Orange X22 712 bought in 79
1969 SS 350 coupe LeMans Blue 713 bought in 79
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« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2014, 09:53:10 PM »

Thanks guys I am running for the hills I received a PM from another member and he said they are the same pictures when it was sold by someone else a year ago , Darrell
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« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2014, 10:28:27 AM »

Thanks guys I am running for the hills I received a PM from another member and he said they are the same pictures when it was sold by someone else a year ago , Darrell

Darrell, to assist others I'd kindly suggest communicating ebay so they are aware as you could easily do this with the bid retraction. I have done so a couple times and the item was taken off. They do not want this anymore than we do.
Thanks William!
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« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2014, 11:56:58 AM »

I believe it is retracted already good work William, thanks Darrell
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« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2014, 12:08:37 PM »

Wow!

Great work getting it pulled guys!
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« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2014, 02:50:13 PM »

Thanks for posting, your insight really helped on this one.
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Looking for original Delco side post negative battery cable part # 6297651AV
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« Reply #9 on: August 01, 2014, 09:16:14 PM »

It's Back  http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chevrolet-Camaro-Z28-VERY-RARE-HIGHLY-DOCUMENTED-PRISTINE-TOTALLY-RESTORED-SHOWROOM-CONIDITION-/151370754591?forcerrptr=true&hash=item233e666a1f&item=151370754591&pt=US_Cars_Trucks#ht_7195wt_1438
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1969 SS/RS 396 coupe Hugger Orange X22 712 bought in 79
1969 SS 350 coupe LeMans Blue 713 bought in 79
1969 307 4spd. coupe Daytona Yellow 711 bought in 85
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« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2014, 11:35:35 PM »

Same seller, 4 bids already. Someone close to PA needs to call this guy's bluff, if it is one. Looks like an offshore deal by the way the ad is set up -
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« Reply #11 on: August 02, 2014, 10:31:11 AM »


Congratulations Bentley...  Smiley     
...  waiting.....   Smiley
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« Reply #12 on: August 02, 2014, 02:39:14 PM »

Looks like someone gave me an opportunity, thanks G.W. and CRG...here goes!!! Rest of you will just have to figure out what these last 2 posts mean. Hint: Change in my status here on CRG.
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1969 SS/RS 396 coupe Hugger Orange X22 712 bought in 79
1969 SS 350 coupe LeMans Blue 713 bought in 79
1969 307 4spd. coupe Daytona Yellow 711 bought in 85
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« Reply #13 on: August 02, 2014, 05:19:25 PM »

WtG, you my Hero already....
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1969 garnet red Z/28 46k mile unrestored X77
Looking for 3192477 (front) spiral shocks 3192851 (rear) please
Looking for an original LOF soft ray windshield
Looking for original Delco side post negative battery cable part # 6297651AV
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« Reply #14 on: August 02, 2014, 08:03:09 PM »

For some reason, on my iPad, the description is all off to the side and I can't read it.
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