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Camaro Research Group Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: william on July 26, 2014, 04:01:55 PM

Title: Caveat Emptor
Post by: william on July 26, 2014, 04:01:55 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chevrolet-Camaro-Z28-VERY-RARE-HIGHLY-DOCUMENTED-PRISTINE-TOTALLY-RESTORED-SHOWROOM-CONIDITION-/151365002981?forcerrptr=true&hash=item233e0ea6e5&item=151365002981&pt=US_Cars_Trucks

This ebay ad prominently mentions documents and features several photos of them. The alleged ‘original’ documents have several inconsistencies with genuine original 1969 Camaro documentation.

Exception Control Letters [ECL] are the two-character alpha codes listed after the option; A01 is tinted glass, AA is the ECL for the specific build. ECLs are application-specific; there are at least 22 for Z22. 5 of the ECLs on the documents for this car are inconsistent with others in the database. In addition there are two spelling errors and an error in the listing of the options.

The ad states: “The window sticker and shipper sheet reflect…and the D80 rear [?] spoiler option” however air spoiler equipment is not listed on the paperwork, such as it is. The car has C08 Vinyl Roof Cover and Z21 Style Trim Group, also not listed on the purported original documents. The ad claims a stereo radio but the documents list the U69 monaural am/fm.

There are several incorrect or missing components evident in the photos: headers, no AIR system, master cylinder, trunk mat, stripe color, ducted hood.

The ad boasts “Send your inspector today!” I second that motion.
Title: Re: Caveat Emptor
Post by: camaro jock on July 26, 2014, 09:38:53 PM

Thanks William, I am high bidder thought the paperwork looked right guess I will not keep bidding it up. Darrell
Title: Re: Caveat Emptor
Post by: ZLP955 on July 26, 2014, 11:56:38 PM
Thanks William, I am high bidder thought the paperwork looked right guess I will not keep bidding it up. Darrell
Darrell, even though reserve hasn't been met and you're in no danger of 'winning', if I were you, I'd retract my bid(s) on the car.
Title: Re: Caveat Emptor
Post by: ko-lek-tor on July 27, 2014, 01:49:22 AM
I am not sure I would even pursue this car in light of what William discloses. Further, I would not deal with someone with no eBay history like this seller. Some are scams (I have seen exposed over on sYc).  Not saying this seller is a scam, but with no selling/buying history...well lets just say, I have been burned numerous times and that is with 100% Positive feedback history from sellers. I would not proceed with caution, but run away while you can. My .02 cents.
Title: Re: Caveat Emptor
Post by: camaro jock on July 27, 2014, 02:53:10 AM
Thanks guys I am running for the hills I received a PM from another member and he said they are the same pictures when it was sold by someone else a year ago , Darrell
Title: Re: Caveat Emptor
Post by: 68camaroz28 on July 27, 2014, 03:28:27 PM
Thanks guys I am running for the hills I received a PM from another member and he said they are the same pictures when it was sold by someone else a year ago , Darrell

Darrell, to assist others I'd kindly suggest communicating ebay so they are aware as you could easily do this with the bid retraction. I have done so a couple times and the item was taken off. They do not want this anymore than we do.
Thanks William!
Title: Re: Caveat Emptor
Post by: camaro jock on July 27, 2014, 04:56:58 PM
I believe it is retracted already good work William, thanks Darrell
Title: Re: Caveat Emptor
Post by: william on July 27, 2014, 05:08:37 PM
Wow!

Great work getting it pulled guys!
Title: Re: Caveat Emptor
Post by: BULLITT65 on July 27, 2014, 07:50:13 PM
Thanks for posting, your insight really helped on this one.
Title: Re: Caveat Emptor
Post by: ko-lek-tor on August 02, 2014, 02:16:14 AM
It's Back  http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chevrolet-Camaro-Z28-VERY-RARE-HIGHLY-DOCUMENTED-PRISTINE-TOTALLY-RESTORED-SHOWROOM-CONIDITION-/151370754591?forcerrptr=true&hash=item233e666a1f&item=151370754591&pt=US_Cars_Trucks#ht_7195wt_1438
Title: Re: Caveat Emptor
Post by: z28z11 on August 02, 2014, 04:35:35 AM
Same seller, 4 bids already. Someone close to PA needs to call this guy's bluff, if it is one. Looks like an offshore deal by the way the ad is set up -
Title: Re: Caveat Emptor
Post by: 69Z28-RS on August 02, 2014, 03:31:11 PM
It's Back  http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chevrolet-Camaro-Z28-VERY-RARE-HIGHLY-DOCUMENTED-PRISTINE-TOTALLY-RESTORED-SHOWROOM-CONIDITION-/151370754591?forcerrptr=true&hash=item233e666a1f&item=151370754591&pt=US_Cars_Trucks#ht_7195wt_1438

Congratulations Bentley...  :)     
...  waiting.....   :)
Title: Re: Caveat Emptor
Post by: ko-lek-tor on August 02, 2014, 07:39:14 PM
Looks like someone gave me an opportunity, thanks G.W. and CRG...here goes!!! Rest of you will just have to figure out what these last 2 posts mean. Hint: Change in my status here on CRG.
Title: Re: Caveat Emptor
Post by: BULLITT65 on August 02, 2014, 10:19:25 PM
WtG, you my Hero already....
Title: Re: Caveat Emptor
Post by: BillOhio on August 03, 2014, 01:03:09 AM
For some reason, on my iPad, the description is all off to the side and I can't read it.
Title: Re: Caveat Emptor
Post by: VINCE Z28 on August 03, 2014, 01:35:10 AM
Congrats Bentley, another HERO is born.  ;)
Title: Re: Caveat Emptor
Post by: ko-lek-tor on August 03, 2014, 02:27:21 AM
Congrats Bentley, another HERO is born.  ;)
Now, if I could say the right words to get Ed back, I'd feel like a real HERO. Thanks guys.
Title: Re: Caveat Emptor
Post by: sdkar on August 08, 2014, 05:24:39 PM
It's back.   

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VERY-RARE-HIGHLY-DOCUMENTED-PRISTINE-TOTALLY-RESTORED-SHOWROOM-CONIDITION-/151370754591?pb=6&&pt=US_Cars_Trucks&autorefresh=true#ht_6995wt_1438

Title: Re: Caveat Emptor
Post by: jdv69z on August 08, 2014, 07:30:18 PM
What's with the description running all over itself so it's obnoxious to try to read?
Title: Re: Caveat Emptor
Post by: Mike S on August 08, 2014, 07:38:17 PM
Yea....the wording is cleverly written with some ambiguity.

Mike
Title: Re: Caveat Emptor
Post by: cam69aro on August 09, 2014, 04:28:49 AM
JDV, hit the refresh button and the lettering will clear up