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Re: trim ring fit to rim
« Reply #45 on: January 31, 2014, 03:06:22 PM »
My 69 (08C) had all 4 wheels with the outer clip trim rings  when I bought the car.  I purchased 4 new rings for it around 1975 or 76 from our local dealer; because a few were scratched or dented,  and the new trim rings were the 4 inner serrated clip  style. (We still have the original trim rings packed away with our spare parts)  The new style is a real pain to remove without damaging the  ring.
When we bought my wife's 69; it had replacement rally wheels(we found the original wheel covers in the trunk) , and all of the trim rings were the new style.
This sure is an interesting thread to follow.    Jim & Kimberly

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« Reply #46 on: January 31, 2014, 04:33:00 PM »
Gary, I have a real collection of GM Master Parts Catalogues, Camaro, Corvette,Nova,Chevelle,Vega,Firebird etc.,  The girl friend worked at a Local GM Dealer, she holds a licensed Journey man parts certificate, and still retains the Grp. part numbers/sections by memory. I got a lot of these when GM went computerized. The Camaro parts catalogue is 741A dated August/1974. I also have 751A, dated Sept/1975, 761A dated Jan/1978 and others I acquired when I ran a Corvette/Camaro Restoration shop for 20 yrs.
 In Grp. # 5.871 of the Camaro 741A it shows # 3901708, the 751A shows # 9796696 as do the others. I also scanned the Chevelle Part page. Interesting to note it shows for 70-73 Monte Carlo # 9796696 as having 4 clips.  

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« Reply #47 on: January 31, 2014, 06:10:38 PM »
It's confusing to me WHY that part number (# 3901708 shows up in a '74 catalog), when it doesn't appear in the Oct 1, 1970 P&A that I have??   Ask your girlfriend (wife now?.. :)   if errors in those printed catalogs were common??  I sure wish someone had a 1969 dated parts manual, as that might clear up some of the questions we have re PNs..

It's also interesting to me that Jims69 posted that he bought 4 from GM in mid seventies that had the four inner serrated 'teeth' type of retainers.  I've never liked or used that type, and didn't really know that GM mfg'd them....?   Those are the type that are reproduced in the inexpensive trim rings by companies like Wheel Vintiques.
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« Reply #48 on: January 31, 2014, 07:07:09 PM »
Gary, I have a real collection of GM Master Parts Catalogues, Camaro, Corvette,Nova,Chevelle,Vega,Firebird etc.,  The girl friend worked at a Local GM Dealer, she holds a licensed Journey man parts certificate, and still retains the Grp. part numbers/sections by memory. I got a lot of these when GM went computerized. The Camaro parts catalogue is 741A dated August/1974. I also have 751A, dated Sept/1975, 761A dated Jan/1978 and others I acquired when I ran a Corvette/Camaro Restoration shop for 20 yrs.
 In Grp. # 5.871 of the Camaro 741A it shows # 3901708, the 751A shows # 9796696 as do the others. I also scanned the Chevelle Part page. Interesting to note it shows for 70-73 Monte Carlo # 9796696 as having 4 clips. 


Good information, thanks. It would be interesting if they noted the  part# change for the 14" trim rings since we know the chevelle used the 4 clip in 1969 and changed to the inner serrated in 1970.
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« Reply #49 on: January 31, 2014, 07:25:35 PM »
I have a Camaro Master Parts Catalog No. 691A dated July 1969.  #3901708 shows as.......1969/ALL WITH 15 IN WHEEL.  There is no mention of #9796696 at all.
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« Reply #50 on: January 31, 2014, 07:33:55 PM »
It's confusing to me WHY that part number (# 3901708 shows up in a '74 catalog), when it doesn't appear in the Oct 1, 1970 P&A that I have??   Ask your girlfriend (wife now?.. :)   if errors in those printed catalogs were common??  I sure wish someone had a 1969 dated parts manual, as that might clear up some of the questions we have re PNs..

It's also interesting to me that Jims69 posted that he bought 4 from GM in mid seventies that had the four inner serrated 'teeth' type of retainers.  I've never liked or used that type, and didn't really know that GM mfg'd them....?   Those are the type that are reproduced in the inexpensive trim rings by companies like Wheel Vintiques.


Gary, Is the P&A book you have a GM Master Parts catalogue just for Camaro? The Chevelle #39 JPG page is from a April/76  Chevelle GM Master parts Book. Dont know why 2 books would/could? be wrong?

Corvette also used the same 4 clip trim ring in 1967, later issue Corvette Parts Book 14A dated Jan/1981 shows # 9796696 as the part number but I know I have a much earlier issue parts book at home, will check it tonite and repost. Guy I work/restore cars for has 1 of the lowest mile 67 Corvette 427/435HP know to exist, 6,000 miles, it was in the Corvette Bowling Green Museum and has documentation from NCRS, Bloomington Gold Special Collection as well as Zora Duntov as the Best Unmolested example known to Exist, it has the 4 clip trim rings, which are supposed to be the same as 1969 Z28, they are identical to the ones on my car, valve stem holes /clips etc.
Those repo trim rings are a different colour than originals, I think John Z posted before that the GM trim rings were flash chromed

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« Reply #51 on: January 31, 2014, 07:38:41 PM »
Gary, I have a real collection of GM Master Parts Catalogues, Camaro, Corvette,Nova,Chevelle,Vega,Firebird etc.,  The girl friend worked at a Local GM Dealer, she holds a licensed Journey man parts certificate, and still retains the Grp. part numbers/sections by memory. I got a lot of these when GM went computerized. The Camaro parts catalogue is 741A dated August/1974. I also have 751A, dated Sept/1975, 761A dated Jan/1978 and others I acquired when I ran a Corvette/Camaro Restoration shop for 20 yrs.
 In Grp. # 5.871 of the Camaro 741A it shows # 3901708, the 751A shows # 9796696 as do the others. I also scanned the Chevelle Part page. Interesting to note it shows for 70-73 Monte Carlo # 9796696 as having 4 clips. 


Good information, thanks. It would be interesting if they noted the  part# change for the 14" trim rings since we know the chevelle used the 4 clip in 1969 and changed to the inner serrated in 1970.

Steve, I will look tonite.

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« Reply #52 on: January 31, 2014, 08:43:16 PM »
I have a Camaro Master Parts Catalog No. 691A dated July 1969.  #3901708 shows as.......1969/ALL WITH 15 IN WHEEL.  There is no mention of #9796696 at all.

Can you confirm that's the same part shown in that catalog for the '68 Corvette rallye wheel (which was 7" wide)?   I believe the '67 Corvette had the same width rallye wheels as the '68 Z28 (ie. 6" wide)?   I believe there was a small difference in offset between the Corvette and Camaro wheels of the same width/dia...
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« Reply #53 on: January 31, 2014, 08:53:19 PM »
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Gary, Is the P&A book you have a GM Master Parts catalogue just for Camaro? The Chevelle #39 JPG page is from a April/76  Chevelle GM Master parts Book. Dont know why 2 books would/could? be wrong?

Corvette also used the same 4 clip trim ring in 1967, later issue Corvette Parts Book 14A dated Jan/1981 shows # 9796696 as the part number but I know I have a much earlier issue parts book at home, will check it tonite and repost. Guy I work/restore cars for has 1 of the lowest mile 67 Corvette 427/435HP know to exist, 6,000 miles, it was in the Corvette Bowling Green Museum and has documentation from NCRS, Bloomington Gold Special Collection as well as Zora Duntov as the Best Unmolested example known to Exist, it has the 4 clip trim rings, which are supposed to be the same as 1969 Z28, they are identical to the ones on my car, valve stem holes /clips etc.
Those repo trim rings are a different colour than originals, I think John Z posted before that the GM trim rings were flash chromed

I agree I don't even consider the reproduction/replacement aftermarket wheel covers... :)
Unless I'm confused, the '67 Corvette rallye was 6" wide, and the '68 Corvette Rallye was 7" wide (they went to 8" wide in '69).

The Parts Catalog I have which is most current to the '69 Z28 is shown in the cover page photo; this is a 4"-5" thick catalog double sides on thin paper.  (covers all relevant models - for purposes of our discussion - except Corvette).
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« Reply #54 on: January 31, 2014, 08:54:57 PM »
This Master Parts Catalog mentioned is for the Camaro only.  I do have a later Catalog for Corvettes but I will have to locate it ........will check back in later.
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« Reply #55 on: January 31, 2014, 08:59:44 PM »
You have to remember that service parts are not the same as a production part.  If the service parts division already had a 14 or 15" trim ring for another car already in production they would use that ring as the service part and not create a new Camaro specific service part.  All a service part had to do was be functionally equivalent to the original production part, it did not have to be the exact same part.
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« Reply #56 on: January 31, 2014, 09:05:53 PM »
My Corvette P & A 30B dated September 1973 states.....
     #9796696    67 Corvette w/ 15x6JK wheel.  
     #3923626    68-74 Corvette w/rally wheel
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« Reply #57 on: January 31, 2014, 09:40:45 PM »
Does anyone in the group have a P&A catalog dated within the '69 Camaro production period?

Yup, I have an old "Brownie" P&A 34 (revision number 2) with an effective date of 10-1-68 and a revised date of 2-15-69.  It states:

67-69 CAMARO (302) (15" wheel w/ disc brake) . . . . . 3901704       9.55       RING ASSY., wheel trim . . . . . . . 4

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« Reply #58 on: January 31, 2014, 09:49:40 PM »
I have a Camaro Master Parts Catalog No. 691A dated July 1969.  #3901708 shows as.......1969/ALL WITH 15 IN WHEEL.  There is no mention of #9796696 at all.

My old "Brownie" P&A 34 (revision number 2) with an effective date of 10-1-68 and a revised date of 2-15-69 list 3901708 as...

68 CAMARO w/ 15" wheel,
69 CAMARO  (exc. Disc Brk) . . . . . 3901708       9.55       RING ASSY., wheel trim  (16-5/8" O.D.)  (15 x 6JK) . . . . . . . 4


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« Reply #59 on: January 31, 2014, 09:54:57 PM »
I have a Camaro Master Parts Catalog No. 691A dated July 1969.  #3901708 shows as.......1969/ALL WITH 15 IN WHEEL.  There is no mention of #9796696 at all.

My old "Brownie" P&A 34 (revision number 2) with an effective date of 10-1-68 and a revised date of 2-15-69 list 3901708 as...

68 CAMARO w/ 15" wheel,
69 CAMARO  (exc. Disc Brk) . . . . . 3901708       9.55       RING ASSY., wheel trim  (16-5/8" O.D.)  (15 x 6JK) . . . . . . . 4


I have a Camaro Master Parts Catalog No. 691A dated July 1969.  #3901708 shows as.......1969/ALL WITH 15 IN WHEEL.  There is no mention of #9796696 at all.

My old "Brownie" P&A 34 (revision number 2) with an effective date of 10-1-68 and a revised date of 2-15-69 list 3901708 as...

68 CAMARO w/ 15" wheel,
69 CAMARO  (exc. Disc Brk) . . . . . 3901708       9.55       RING ASSY., wheel trim  (16-5/8" O.D.)  (15 x 6JK) . . . . . . . 4


and ??

67-69 CAMARO (302) (15" wheel w/ disc brake) . . . . . 3901704       9.55       RING ASSY., wheel trim . . . . . . . 4

I'm rapidly losing confidence in these GM/Chevy parts catalogs...  :(   
the one I previously referenced in post #42 of this thread, lists the 3901704 as being for a '6" wheel and only 1-34" wide....
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