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« on: January 23, 2014, 11:36:10 AM »

I have original rims and trim rings and having trouble with 1 of the rings fitting the rim.  Anyone have this issue and what did you do to get it to fit.  Tried to pinch the clips but still a gap.  There is a little nipple on each of the rims around the edge of each rim what is that?

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« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2014, 11:52:08 AM »

I assume this is the rally wheel with the 4 clip design trim rings? can you take a pic and show the  gap?
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« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2014, 01:00:50 PM »

This is the trim ring with fingers all the way around.  04D 69 z
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« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2014, 01:46:25 PM »

sbmiano, would an 03E cars have the 4 clips or fingers all the way around ? would you be able to post a pic of the front side of the trim ring so i could see the detail of where the inside edge of the ring meets the wheel ? thanks
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« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2014, 02:02:04 PM »

I have a 08C Z/28 (late 69) car, and mine came with both the 4 clip and the finger design. My 4 clip design sits snug on the wheel, but there is a small gap between the rim and the trim ring.
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« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2014, 02:05:13 PM »

I will try and get a good pix of the gap and post it.  As for the 03E car, as I posted before I was told by a legends judge that in or around Feb 1969 they went to the fingers all the way around the ring do to the 4 clip design falling off.
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« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2014, 02:51:51 PM »

I will try and get a good pix of the gap and post it.  As for the 03E car, as I posted before I was told by a legends judge that in or around Feb 1969 they went to the fingers all the way around the ring do to the 4 clip design falling off.

I personaly don't believe that, my 06A has 4 clip rings. Bought the car in 74 and the protecto plate and owners manual was in the glove box as well as the visor sleeve operating instructions and a original trim ring removal card showing 4 clips. It also has the original spare, although used and the rim shows no evidence of ever having the gouge marks from a finger type trim ring. A buddys 09A (69) has the finger type trim rings.
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« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2014, 03:19:51 PM »

I have seen many guys with original cars from may, june july and august state they still had the original 4 clip design. Enough guys, that it seems more likely they were original to the car, than somebody went and located the 4 clip and swapped out the finger design. Just my 2 cents.

Hey Rszmjt, can you post a pic of the trim ring removal card? I don't think I have ever seen one. thanks
*or email me the pic, PM sent. thanks
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« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2014, 03:31:49 PM »

I have seen many guys with original cars from may, june july and august state they still had the original 4 clip design. Enough guys, that it seems more likely they were original to the car, than somebody went and located the 4 clip and swapped out the finger design. Just my 2 cents.
My original 09C Z28 which I purchased in 1976 had the 4-clip covers on it when purchased; they had the normal dings/scrapes in them, so I tried to purchase new ones (but the 4-clip design was not available in the 15x7 size at that time so I chose not to buy the 'wrong ones').  The 'finger style' trim ring WAS available OTC during those years, as that was what they were installing on the '73 to '77 MonteCarlos (all having 15x7 wheels), and El Caminos/Chevelles with 15x7 rallyes.   I purchased a new '77 MC, and sometime in the late '70's, I actually swapped the trim rings between my MC and the Z28 (because the MC trim rings were like new and I wanted the 'best looking' ones on my Camaro.. Smiley.  Fortunately, I traded them back before I sold the Monte Carlo.

It's interesting that during that same period, Corvette trim rings (15x8 size) ALL had the 4-clip style, both on new Corvettes, and OTC.  I have a set of them that I bought around 1977 when I put Corvette 15x8 wheels on my Z28 (temporarily) until the front fender scrubbing got to be too much for me.  IF the 15x7 rings with 4-clips had a tendency to 'fall off', then why did ALL the larger 15x8 Corvette wheels have that same 4-clip design from the late '60s thru the mid-late '70's???  I suspect they began to use the finger design on the higher production cars - MC and Chevelles etc - in the '70s because the 4-clip designs are more difficult for owners to remove... Smiley
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« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2014, 03:48:48 PM »

and I thought those Corvette owners didn't like to get their hands dirty... Grin
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« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2014, 04:03:44 PM »

and I thought those Corvette owners didn't like to get their hands dirty... Grin

... Smiley..   *some* Corvette owners are simply putting on a show, but there are many more Corvette owners who are 'typical Car guys'.. Smiley
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« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2014, 10:56:14 AM »

Lots of different opinions about trim rings.  I was just a little boy at that time so I go by what the judges at the Camaro Nationals tell me.  I also have a set of 4 clip for this car but was told they were incorrect.  Thing is the 4 clip fit much better to the rims than the finger
ones.  But once the finger clip ones are on they don't move
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« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2014, 11:18:06 AM »

I found my 01C X77 in '72, bought it in '73. Trim rings were original to the car as far as I could tell - fingers on all, not 4 clip.

When I parked it on the street at school, I used to pull the rings and derbys, and store in the trunk to keep 'em from getting gone. I got pretty good at pulling them off without a screwdriver/lug wrench, but boy, did they ever scratch up the YH's. 4 clips would have probably been better ?

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« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2014, 12:45:06 PM »

I will try and get a good pix of the gap and post it.  As for the 03E car, as I posted before I was told by a legends judge that in or around Feb 1969 they went to the fingers all the way around the ring do to the 4 clip design falling off.
"Judges" can be wrong too.. and not all the judges agree...  which is a good enough reason for the Camaro organizations to develop a 'Judging Manual', and make it a living document (subject to update and improvement)... and provide it for SALE to restorers, owners, AND judges..  (ie.  Just as NCRS does for each Corvette year/series .. and they DO get updated pretty regularly as more/better information develops).
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« Reply #14 on: January 24, 2014, 08:59:44 PM »

I agree, that is one of my pet peeves about restoring Camaro's.

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« Reply #15 on: January 25, 2014, 12:44:09 PM »

Picture of trim ring card
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« Reply #16 on: January 25, 2014, 02:38:58 PM »

I just learned that they have a reproduction (licensed) copy of that sheet available for around $10...  Smiley

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1967-1968-1969-CHEVROLET-CORVETTE-WHEEL-TRIM-RING-INSTRUCTIONS-SHEET-CARD-TAG-/140730686674

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« Reply #17 on: January 25, 2014, 02:55:09 PM »

I found my 01C X77 in '72, bought it in '73. Trim rings were original to the car as far as I could tell - fingers on all, not 4 clip.

When I parked it on the street at school, I used to pull the rings and derbys, and store in the trunk to keep 'em from getting gone. I got pretty good at pulling them off without a screwdriver/lug wrench, but boy, did they ever scratch up the YH's. 4 clips would have probably been better ?


I am surprised the reason for switching was the 4 clip coming off. They do not pop off all that easy, the finger design come off a lot easier for me. Plus when balancing the wheels you have to make sure the weight doesn't get put on where a clip goes.
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« Reply #18 on: January 25, 2014, 03:36:05 PM »

Mine are sort of a PIA to get off ,4 clip design obviously, and original to the car.
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« Reply #19 on: January 25, 2014, 06:48:57 PM »

The printed date on that paper is 9-23-66 and can be found at all the Corvette places. Does anyone have one with a later date like 1969.

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« Reply #20 on: January 26, 2014, 12:09:26 AM »

The printed date on that paper is 9-23-66 and can be found at all the Corvette places. Does anyone have one with a later date like 1969.

Mike

I think Mine is dated 11/68 ?, it is GM original , it was with the car when I bought it in 1974, along with the Pop, battery warranty card, visor sleeve , owners manual, and a lot of other documentation including parts bills etc.
It is not a reproduction and I see no reason to doubt it didn't come with the car.
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« Reply #21 on: January 26, 2014, 12:25:27 PM »

rszmjt,
I was not questioning the originality of your instruction sheet; I was noting the printed date on the ebay listing that 69Z28-RS posted. If there are others that have your date or other later printed sheets, I would say that Chevy did put the 4 clip designs on the early 69 Z/28’s and maybe we could use this information to help track a date change to the second design. Especially if someone has a later sheet showing the internal fingers.

There have been numerous posts about trim rings recently, with different people offering information about what trim rings are on their cars. I will see if I can correlate this information similar to the gas tank codes and post what I find. If anyone else has done this already feel free to post.

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« Reply #22 on: January 26, 2014, 03:02:22 PM »

good idea , thanks Mike
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« Reply #23 on: January 27, 2014, 12:37:58 PM »

I have the original build sheet and no where does it show what trim rings went on the car unfortunately, and I agree without a doubt that a manual should be issued and sold to the public.  I will tell you that I have received more than 1 answer on numerous parts from different judges at the same show, before they agreed on the correct part.  It is a pretty high expense to transport a car, stay at a hotel, food ect to go to the Nationals so they should design a fact book.  The Camaro Nationals is suppose to be the most prestigious Camaro show in the country and the Legends Judging the most strict so I am all for a book.

At this point I am staying with the finger clips because that is what I was told and I will post the results in June!

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« Reply #24 on: January 27, 2014, 07:12:25 PM »

My 5A Norwood Z had the original YH wheels in the front and Corvette 8" wheels in the back when I bought it in 1979. The replacement trim rings from GM that I put on the rear in the early 80's were the finger type. I am going to the Legends Judging with the 4 clips. We will have to see how this plays out.

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« Reply #25 on: January 27, 2014, 07:33:34 PM »

Please keep us updated on both cars and what the "judges"  say
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« Reply #26 on: January 28, 2014, 03:03:26 AM »

Interesting to note my GM Camaro parts book dated Aug/74 shows only 1 trim ring for 1969 Z28 - # 3901708. Then a later issue GM Camaro parts Book dated Sept/75 shows - # 9796696. No trim ring attaching style notes are included in either parts book description.

My GM Chevelle Parts Book dated Apr/76 shows the  # 3901708 trim ring as - 2&1/2" wide -Attaches with 4 clips, fitting 74-76. It then also shows # 9796696 as a supplemented part number for this ring.

Then it shows # 9796696 fitting 70-73 Monte Carlo and it says - Approx 2&1/2" Wide - Attaches with 4 Clips.

I do know that later issue # 9796696 trim rings had the serrated teeth or fingers and were still available from GM I think until approx. 2007? There is also 2 versions of this ring, early issue had Black Serrations and the later issue had Silver Serrations. I have a NOS set of the # 9796696 and the boxes are dated Mar/2000 and they have the silver serrations.

My personal opinion is that the # 3901708 - 4 clip style trim rings were the original line installed trim ring on the Z28, and the later issue # 9796696 trim ring with the serrations was a mid 70,s service trim ring, and was also used by the dealer to replace existing 4 clip trim rings after that part number # 3901708 was superceded to # 9796696.

Jerrys Book only mentions that 2 styles of trim rings were used.  No Offence meant but I honestly don't see how  a legends judge could comment with certainty that in or around Feb 1969 they went to the fingers all the way around the ring to stop the 4 clip design falling off, when the Early dated 1974 GM Camaro and Chevelle parts Book do not show the Serrated type trim ring.
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« Reply #27 on: January 28, 2014, 07:57:46 AM »


At this point I am staying with the finger clips because that is what I was told and I will post the results in June!



Your situation might be different than others as it seems you have been "legends certified" and your going back to improve upon your score which I believe in the past they only verify or check the issues that were found wrong during the first go around. Seems to me your in a catch 22 as the easiest would be just change trim rings and bingo you get the points that were deducted the first go around.
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« Reply #28 on: January 28, 2014, 10:04:22 AM »

Interesting to note my GM Camaro parts book dated Aug/74 shows only 1 trim ring for 1969 Z28 - # 3901708. Then a later issue GM Camaro parts Book dated Sept/75 shows - # 9796696. No trim ring attaching style notes are included in either parts book description.

My GM Chevelle Parts Book dated Apr/76 shows the  # 3901708 trim ring as - 2&1/2" wide -Attaches with 4 clips, fitting 74-76. It then also shows # 9796696 as a supplemented part number for this ring.

Then it shows # 9796696 fitting 70-73 Monte Carlo and it says - Approx 2&1/2" Wide - Attaches with 4 Clips.

I do know that later issue # 9796696 trim rings had the serrated teeth or fingers and were still available from GM I think until approx. 2007? There is also 2 versions of this ring, early issue had Black Serrations and the later issue had Silver Serrations. I have a NOS set of the # 9796696 and the boxes are dated Mar/2000 and they have the silver serrations.

My personal opinion is that the # 3901708 - 4 clip style trim rings were the original line installed trim ring on the Z28, and the later issue # 9796696 trim ring with the serrations was a mid 70,s service trim ring, and was also used by the dealer to replace existing 4 clip trim rings after that part number # 3901708 was superceded to # 9796696.

Jerrys Book only mentions that 2 styles of trim rings were used.  No Offence meant but I honestly don't see how  a legends judge could comment with certainty that in or around Feb 1969 they went to the fingers all the way around the ring to stop the 4 clip design falling off, when the Early dated 1974 GM Camaro and Chevelle parts Book do not show the Serrated type trim ring.

i'm in 100% agreement with rszmjt (and the parts books) on this... as those *documented* facts match my memory as well.
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« Reply #29 on: January 28, 2014, 11:22:08 AM »

Check this out, some of the pictures are missing, but the story is there.

http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=112918&highlight=TRIM+RING
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« Reply #30 on: January 28, 2014, 11:56:37 AM »

Mark, there is a difference in the clip configuration and change over between 14 inch and 15 inch trim rings. That thread was referencing 14 inch yj trim rings. Just an FYI...
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« Reply #31 on: January 28, 2014, 07:16:42 PM »

Interesting to note my GM Camaro parts book dated Aug/74 shows only 1 trim ring for 1969 Z28 - # 3901708. Then a later issue GM Camaro parts Book dated Sept/75 shows - # 9796696. No trim ring attaching style notes are included in either parts book description.

My GM Chevelle Parts Book dated Apr/76 shows the  # 3901708 trim ring as - 2&1/2" wide -Attaches with 4 clips, fitting 74-76. It then also shows # 9796696 as a supplemented part number for this ring.

Then it shows # 9796696 fitting 70-73 Monte Carlo and it says - Approx 2&1/2" Wide - Attaches with 4 Clips.

I do know that later issue # 9796696 trim rings had the serrated teeth or fingers and were still available from GM I think until approx. 2007? There is also 2 versions of this ring, early issue had Black Serrations and the later issue had Silver Serrations. I have a NOS set of the # 9796696 and the boxes are dated Mar/2000 and they have the silver serrations.

My personal opinion is that the # 3901708 - 4 clip style trim rings were the original line installed trim ring on the Z28, and the later issue # 9796696 trim ring with the serrations was a mid 70,s service trim ring, and was also used by the dealer to replace existing 4 clip trim rings after that part number # 3901708 was superceded to # 9796696.

Jerrys Book only mentions that 2 styles of trim rings were used.  No Offence meant but I honestly don't see how  a legends judge could comment with certainty that in or around Feb 1969 they went to the fingers all the way around the ring to stop the 4 clip design falling off, when the Early dated 1974 GM Camaro and Chevelle parts Book do not show the Serrated type trim ring.
Of the few original Z/28's I've looked at they all had 4 clip trim rings. Maybe some had the other type but it sure seems there were 4 clips abundant. Additionally, I have 4 NOS 15X6 68 trim rings purchased in 1979 that have the 4 clips.
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« Reply #32 on: January 30, 2014, 12:28:54 PM »

Who knows?  we can go on and on...  Mike will be leaving his 4 clip on and I will have the finger type so we will see how it plays out.  Maybe both will be acceptable.  The ones that WERE on my car at the nationals were repo 4 clips. So we will see.
 
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« Reply #33 on: January 30, 2014, 12:54:13 PM »

Who knows?  we can go on and on...  Mike will be leaving his 4 clip on and I will have the finger type so we will see how it plays out.  Maybe both will be acceptable.  The ones that WERE on my car at the nationals were repo 4 clips. So we will see.

Scott...  if yours were 'repo 4-clip', then I'm suspecting that is why you lost the points, as I do not believe the 'correct' 4-clip trims have ever been reproduced.   The reproduced 4-clip I've seen have totally different clip styles, and are nowhere near to the correct 4-clips.   The original 4-clip style has 4 clips at the outer edge of the trim (see photos), which clips to the outer lip of the wheel; whereas the repos I've seen have a totally different sort of retainer (there are also 4 of them) but which work by 'friction' about halfway back from the edge of the trim.   If I'm not up to date on this, someone please correct me...
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« Reply #34 on: January 30, 2014, 02:30:37 PM »

I know after three pages of posting here that this issue does need to be addressed.  What data I can add to the table is any original car that I've inspected over the past 20 years or so have had the four clips on the trim rings.  I think was has happened is when GM began making the service replacements, these were "finger style" trim rings and many owners of cars have just assumed these later style rings were original and or acceptable.  I have even stated that both are acceptable in my Camaro fact book due to the data I had at the time.  Many originals may have been replaced due to curb scrapes and such.

So, all that said, we will address this issue this year and work on getting that concours judging manual done.  That will aid everyone who comes into the hobby.

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« Reply #35 on: January 30, 2014, 02:52:23 PM »

Great, the judging manual would be a great tool. When it becomes available where would we go to purchase one?
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« Reply #36 on: January 30, 2014, 04:28:40 PM »

Thanks for your input Jerry. I am looking forward to the Legends Judging this year.

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« Reply #37 on: January 30, 2014, 07:12:45 PM »

I will have to check on costs.  I have an appointment with my printer as I'm going to be working on a new 5th edition of the '69 Camaro book so I will check on cost, quantity and approx. page count for a judging manual.

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« Reply #38 on: January 30, 2014, 08:32:09 PM »

Determining if trim rings were original to a car is difficult as many fell off damaged or discarded. My belief is that the serrated internal type were used on late production cars ( 69 carry over-70 production) . I've certified two absolutely unrestored Oct built Z28's (both achieved Legend Certification) that had the internal serrated /fingers type trim rings. I specifically looked for the four clip markings on the lips and did not find any. I suspect that the internal serrated/ finger attached trim ring were phased in during the 1970 model production (Camaros built Sept-Nov of 69). Another example for instance were 69 SS Chevelles which used the 4 clip trim rings exclusively, but from what I've seen all 70 Chevelles have had the serrated /finger trim rings. I confirmed this with Chris White who is a Vintage Certification team member, and a well known Chevelle authority.

Last I've attached a picture of my 9A built Z spare(I orig purchased in 1976). The original rim is dated 5/19 along with orig sports car 200, and original factory applied paint. You will note that the spare was used for a very short time and a trim ring was installed which based on the markings was the internal serrated type. I looked for clip markings on the outer lip and none were found. However Gary's car (69Z28-RS with the ugly orange interior Smiley ) built the same week 9A, has the four clip. I will contact the owners of the Oct built Z's and see if they can provide pics. Hope this helps.....

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« Reply #39 on: January 30, 2014, 09:56:18 PM »

FWIW, To really confuse this issue, I have also seen 3 versions of the # 3901708 trim ring with the 4 clips. The clips are the same but the internal ring that retains the clips into the crimped over outer have 3 different styles, 1 is like what Gary posted which is just a flat ring and 2 others that have a inner ring with a raised up portion towards the inside, 1 is much higher than the other as can be seen in the picture i posted. The upper 1 is NOS in a old old GM Box.
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« Reply #40 on: January 30, 2014, 09:56:57 PM »

"I looked for clip markings on the outer lip and none were found. However Gary's car (69Z28-RS with the ugly orange interior Smiley ) built the same week 9A, has the four clip. I will contact the owners of the Oct built Z's and see if they can provide pics. Hope this helps....."

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Steve your killin me with the orange comments......I laughed hard when I saw that..... Cheesy Grin Cheesy

I have the original spare from my 08C from my car and the only marks on it are from the 4 clip style, no finger marks on it at all. ( it was rotated with the other tires early on and then stayed in the trunk with the original tire worn but still mounted. (sorry my picture reduction quality skills aren't as good as yours)
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« Reply #41 on: January 30, 2014, 09:59:14 PM »

RSZmjt, I am guessing just different suppliers back then, so probably does not confuse things.
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Following up rszmjt posting from a few days ago:   I meant to check my P&A and post this sooner, but I'm doing it now.   I have a full Chevrolet Parts and Accessories Catalog, P&A 30A, effective date Oct 1, 1970.   It took me awhile to find the wheels/wheelcover (in section 5, for Brakes - Rear Axle, and Drive.   Page 5-49 addresses the relevant trim rings for which I've scanned and included below in Photo 1.  Note that this P&A was effective right at the beginning of the '71 model year, and end of the 1970 model year. and was less than a year from the end of '69 Camaro production.
Notice the appropriate PN at this point in time was the 9796696 which was for the 15x7 JK rallye wheel and was 2-3/8" wide.   The 9796698 wheel trim was the 'serrated' or 'finger' style.   This can be confirmed from the following ebay links where there are 4 of them for sale currently (NOS) in the boxes.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/nos-15-inch-chevy-trim-rings-/221361583949?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item338a2db74d&vxp=mtr

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-69-Z28-GM-NOS-Trim-Rings-15-x-7-9796696-/121237108689?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item1c3a4b77d1&vxp=mtr

These are the same PN and have the finger style retention.

J.McNeish said every original Z28 he's viewed in the last 20 yrs or so had the 4-clip style.  I can say that every original Z28 I've viewed since they were new had the 4-clip style.  These 4-clip styles became unavailable (new from Chevy) shortly after the introduction of the '70 Monte Carlo.   If someone with a '69 Z28 wanted to replace their dented and scratched trims with new, they got the new style (with fingers).
Note:  I was a young airman in the USAF during the '68-72 period, and hung with a bunch of other young airmen who were hotrodders and street racers.  Several owned '68 and '69 and '70 Z28 and (a few owned Bosses, Hemi Challengers, etc).  We all spent every penny of our paychecks (a bit over $100/mo) on CARS..  Smiley   Factory rallyes and road wheels were the 'style' then, as not many could afford 'mag' wheels (that was the term then for aftermarket magnesium or aluminum wheels).. Smiley

My belief is that the factory designed trim ring for the '69 Z28 during production was the '4-clip' original style.   I also believe that the 'finger style' was designed for the 1970 model year (typical introduction during late Aug/early Sept) of '69.   As with lots of other parts used on 'late '69 Camaros, I think it is very possible that as the 4-clip style was exhausted, Norwood easily began using the 'same look' finger style as designed/mfg'ed for 1970.   It's also possible that there was a 3-4 month period (Fall '69) when both styles were in use in Norwood Camaro production.

Does anyone in the group have a P&A catalog dated within the '69 Camaro production period?
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« Reply #43 on: January 31, 2014, 01:39:07 AM »

Following up rszmjt posting from a few days ago:   I meant to check my P&A and post this sooner, but I'm doing it now.   I have a full Chevrolet Parts and Accessories Catalog, P&A 30A, effective date Oct 1, 1970.   It took me awhile to find the wheels/wheelcover (in section 5, for Brakes - Rear Axle, and Drive.   Page 5-49 addresses the relevant trim rings for which I've scanned and included below in Photo 1.  Note that this P&A was effective right at the beginning of the '71 model year, and end of the 1970 model year. and was less than a year from the end of '69 Camaro production.
Notice the appropriate PN at this point in time was the 9796696 which was for the 15x7 JK rallye wheel and was 2-3/8" wide.   The 9796698 wheel trim was the 'serrated' or 'finger' style.   This can be confirmed from the following ebay links where there are 4 of them for sale currently (NOS) in the boxes.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/nos-15-inch-chevy-trim-rings-/221361583949?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item338a2db74d&vxp=mtr

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-69-Z28-GM-NOS-Trim-Rings-15-x-7-9796696-/121237108689?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item1c3a4b77d1&vxp=mtr

These are the same PN and have the finger style retention.

J.McNeish said every original Z28 he's viewed in the last 20 yrs or so had the 4-clip style.  I can say that every original Z28 I've viewed since they were new had the 4-clip style.  These 4-clip styles became unavailable (new from Chevy) shortly after the introduction of the '70 Monte Carlo.   If someone with a '69 Z28 wanted to replace their dented and scratched trims with new, they got the new style (with fingers).
Note:  I was a young airman in the USAF during the '68-72 period, and hung with a bunch of other young airmen who were hotrodders and street racers.  Several owned '68 and '69 and '70 Z28 and (a few owned Bosses, Hemi Challengers, etc).  We all spent every penny of our paychecks (a bit over $100/mo) on CARS..  Smiley   Factory rallyes and road wheels were the 'style' then, as not many could afford 'mag' wheels (that was the term then for aftermarket magnesium or aluminum wheels).. Smiley

My belief is that the factory designed trim ring for the '69 Z28 during production was the '4-clip' original style.   I also believe that the 'finger style' was designed for the 1970 model year (typical introduction during late Aug/early Sept) of '69.   As with lots of other parts used on 'late '69 Camaros, I think it is very possible that as the 4-clip style was exhausted, Norwood easily began using the 'same look' finger style as designed/mfg'ed for 1970.   It's also possible that there was a 3-4 month period (Fall '69) when both styles were in use in Norwood Camaro production.

Does anyone in the group have a P&A catalog dated within the '69 Camaro production period?


Gary, I dont think the 4 clip trim ring was discontinued until approx 1974 and the finger style was introduced in 1975 as my 1974 dated GM parts book lists the # 3901708 trim ring and the 1975 lists # 9796696.  When I purchased my car in 1974 I bought 4 New trim rings for it from GM and got the 4 clip style, they have been on the car ever since.

The # 9796696 trim rings in both the Ebay auctions (as well as the 4 NOS # 9796696 I have,) have squared off elongated Valve stem holes and the 4 clip style have a different oval type valve stem hole. I have a GM dealer Ordering Manual from 1969 which has all the option codes as well as fabric swatches and paint chips and it is hard to make out the valve stem holes in the Z28 section, but they dont look like the squared off style. I also looked at 2 road tests in Hot Rod and another publication from 1969 and could not make them out.

Does any one have any pictures from a 1969 Road test or dealer brochure or Day 1 pictures that shows the stem holes in the rings?


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« Reply #44 on: January 31, 2014, 08:49:40 AM »

Following up rszmjt posting from a few days ago:   I meant to check my P&A and post this sooner, but I'm doing it now.   I have a full Chevrolet Parts and Accessories Catalog, P&A 30A, effective date Oct 1, 1970.   It took me awhile to find the wheels/wheelcover (in section 5, for Brakes - Rear Axle, and Drive.   Page 5-49 addresses the relevant trim rings for which I've scanned and included below in Photo 1.  Note that this P&A was effective right at the beginning of the '71 model year, and end of the 1970 model year. and was less than a year from the end of '69 Camaro production.
Notice the appropriate PN at this point in time was the 9796696 which was for the 15x7 JK rallye wheel and was 2-3/8" wide.   The 9796698 wheel trim was the 'serrated' or 'finger' style.   This can be confirmed from the following ebay links where there are 4 of them for sale currently (NOS) in the boxes.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/nos-15-inch-chevy-trim-rings-/221361583949?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item338a2db74d&vxp=mtr

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-69-Z28-GM-NOS-Trim-Rings-15-x-7-9796696-/121237108689?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item1c3a4b77d1&vxp=mtr

These are the same PN and have the finger style retention.

J.McNeish said every original Z28 he's viewed in the last 20 yrs or so had the 4-clip style.  I can say that every original Z28 I've viewed since they were new had the 4-clip style.  These 4-clip styles became unavailable (new from Chevy) shortly after the introduction of the '70 Monte Carlo.   If someone with a '69 Z28 wanted to replace their dented and scratched trims with new, they got the new style (with fingers).
Note:  I was a young airman in the USAF during the '68-72 period, and hung with a bunch of other young airmen who were hotrodders and street racers.  Several owned '68 and '69 and '70 Z28 and (a few owned Bosses, Hemi Challengers, etc).  We all spent every penny of our paychecks (a bit over $100/mo) on CARS..  Smiley   Factory rallyes and road wheels were the 'style' then, as not many could afford 'mag' wheels (that was the term then for aftermarket magnesium or aluminum wheels).. Smiley

My belief is that the factory designed trim ring for the '69 Z28 during production was the '4-clip' original style.   I also believe that the 'finger style' was designed for the 1970 model year (typical introduction during late Aug/early Sept) of '69.   As with lots of other parts used on 'late '69 Camaros, I think it is very possible that as the 4-clip style was exhausted, Norwood easily began using the 'same look' finger style as designed/mfg'ed for 1970.   It's also possible that there was a 3-4 month period (Fall '69) when both styles were in use in Norwood Camaro production.

Does anyone in the group have a P&A catalog dated within the '69 Camaro production period?


Gary, I dont think the 4 clip trim ring was discontinued until approx 1974 and the finger style was introduced in 1975 as my 1974 dated GM parts book lists the # 3901708 trim ring and the 1975 lists # 9796696.  When I purchased my car in 1974 I bought 4 New trim rings for it from GM and got the 4 clip style, they have been on the car ever since.

The # 9796696 trim rings in both the Ebay auctions (as well as the 4 NOS # 9796696 I have,) have squared off elongated Valve stem holes and the 4 clip style have a different oval type valve stem hole. I have a GM dealer Ordering Manual from 1969 which has all the option codes as well as fabric swatches and paint chips and it is hard to make out the valve stem holes in the Z28 section, but they dont look like the squared off style. I also looked at 2 road tests in Hot Rod and another publication from 1969 and could not make them out.
Does any one have any pictures from a 1969 Road test or dealer brochure or Day 1 pictures that shows the stem holes in the rings?

The Oct'70 full P&A I was referencing does not show the # 3901708 part at all, although it lists a 3901704 for a 15x6 DJ wheel, but that one is shown as only 1-3/4" wide.   Can you provide that scanned page from your '74 parts book?

I probably have some '69/70 car magazines that cover the '69 Z28, but I'd have to go back and spend a few hours to find them.. as I have thousands going back to about '66 or so (some grouped by name and year, and others not)..  Would anyone like to come to Alabama to pick up these magazines?  Smiley
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« Reply #45 on: January 31, 2014, 10:06:22 AM »

My 69 (08C) had all 4 wheels with the outer clip trim rings  when I bought the car.  I purchased 4 new rings for it around 1975 or 76 from our local dealer; because a few were scratched or dented,  and the new trim rings were the 4 inner serrated clip  style. (We still have the original trim rings packed away with our spare parts)  The new style is a real pain to remove without damaging the  ring.
When we bought my wife's 69; it had replacement rally wheels(we found the original wheel covers in the trunk) , and all of the trim rings were the new style.
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« Reply #46 on: January 31, 2014, 11:33:00 AM »

Gary, I have a real collection of GM Master Parts Catalogues, Camaro, Corvette,Nova,Chevelle,Vega,Firebird etc.,  The girl friend worked at a Local GM Dealer, she holds a licensed Journey man parts certificate, and still retains the Grp. part numbers/sections by memory. I got a lot of these when GM went computerized. The Camaro parts catalogue is 741A dated August/1974. I also have 751A, dated Sept/1975, 761A dated Jan/1978 and others I acquired when I ran a Corvette/Camaro Restoration shop for 20 yrs.
 In Grp. # 5.871 of the Camaro 741A it shows # 3901708, the 751A shows # 9796696 as do the others. I also scanned the Chevelle Part page. Interesting to note it shows for 70-73 Monte Carlo # 9796696 as having 4 clips.  
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« Reply #47 on: January 31, 2014, 01:10:38 PM »

It's confusing to me WHY that part number (# 3901708 shows up in a '74 catalog), when it doesn't appear in the Oct 1, 1970 P&A that I have??   Ask your girlfriend (wife now?.. Smiley   if errors in those printed catalogs were common??  I sure wish someone had a 1969 dated parts manual, as that might clear up some of the questions we have re PNs..

It's also interesting to me that Jims69 posted that he bought 4 from GM in mid seventies that had the four inner serrated 'teeth' type of retainers.  I've never liked or used that type, and didn't really know that GM mfg'd them....?   Those are the type that are reproduced in the inexpensive trim rings by companies like Wheel Vintiques.
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Gary, I have a real collection of GM Master Parts Catalogues, Camaro, Corvette,Nova,Chevelle,Vega,Firebird etc.,  The girl friend worked at a Local GM Dealer, she holds a licensed Journey man parts certificate, and still retains the Grp. part numbers/sections by memory. I got a lot of these when GM went computerized. The Camaro parts catalogue is 741A dated August/1974. I also have 751A, dated Sept/1975, 761A dated Jan/1978 and others I acquired when I ran a Corvette/Camaro Restoration shop for 20 yrs.
 In Grp. # 5.871 of the Camaro 741A it shows # 3901708, the 751A shows # 9796696 as do the others. I also scanned the Chevelle Part page. Interesting to note it shows for 70-73 Monte Carlo # 9796696 as having 4 clips. 


Good information, thanks. It would be interesting if they noted the  part# change for the 14" trim rings since we know the chevelle used the 4 clip in 1969 and changed to the inner serrated in 1970.
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« Reply #49 on: January 31, 2014, 02:25:35 PM »

I have a Camaro Master Parts Catalog No. 691A dated July 1969.  #3901708 shows as.......1969/ALL WITH 15 IN WHEEL.  There is no mention of #9796696 at all.
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« Reply #50 on: January 31, 2014, 02:33:55 PM »

It's confusing to me WHY that part number (# 3901708 shows up in a '74 catalog), when it doesn't appear in the Oct 1, 1970 P&A that I have??   Ask your girlfriend (wife now?.. Smiley   if errors in those printed catalogs were common??  I sure wish someone had a 1969 dated parts manual, as that might clear up some of the questions we have re PNs..

It's also interesting to me that Jims69 posted that he bought 4 from GM in mid seventies that had the four inner serrated 'teeth' type of retainers.  I've never liked or used that type, and didn't really know that GM mfg'd them....?   Those are the type that are reproduced in the inexpensive trim rings by companies like Wheel Vintiques.


Gary, Is the P&A book you have a GM Master Parts catalogue just for Camaro? The Chevelle #39 JPG page is from a April/76  Chevelle GM Master parts Book. Dont know why 2 books would/could? be wrong?

Corvette also used the same 4 clip trim ring in 1967, later issue Corvette Parts Book 14A dated Jan/1981 shows # 9796696 as the part number but I know I have a much earlier issue parts book at home, will check it tonite and repost. Guy I work/restore cars for has 1 of the lowest mile 67 Corvette 427/435HP know to exist, 6,000 miles, it was in the Corvette Bowling Green Museum and has documentation from NCRS, Bloomington Gold Special Collection as well as Zora Duntov as the Best Unmolested example known to Exist, it has the 4 clip trim rings, which are supposed to be the same as 1969 Z28, they are identical to the ones on my car, valve stem holes /clips etc.
Those repo trim rings are a different colour than originals, I think John Z posted before that the GM trim rings were flash chromed
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« Reply #51 on: January 31, 2014, 02:38:41 PM »

Gary, I have a real collection of GM Master Parts Catalogues, Camaro, Corvette,Nova,Chevelle,Vega,Firebird etc.,  The girl friend worked at a Local GM Dealer, she holds a licensed Journey man parts certificate, and still retains the Grp. part numbers/sections by memory. I got a lot of these when GM went computerized. The Camaro parts catalogue is 741A dated August/1974. I also have 751A, dated Sept/1975, 761A dated Jan/1978 and others I acquired when I ran a Corvette/Camaro Restoration shop for 20 yrs.
 In Grp. # 5.871 of the Camaro 741A it shows # 3901708, the 751A shows # 9796696 as do the others. I also scanned the Chevelle Part page. Interesting to note it shows for 70-73 Monte Carlo # 9796696 as having 4 clips. 


Good information, thanks. It would be interesting if they noted the  part# change for the 14" trim rings since we know the chevelle used the 4 clip in 1969 and changed to the inner serrated in 1970.

Steve, I will look tonite.
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« Reply #52 on: January 31, 2014, 03:43:16 PM »

I have a Camaro Master Parts Catalog No. 691A dated July 1969.  #3901708 shows as.......1969/ALL WITH 15 IN WHEEL.  There is no mention of #9796696 at all.

Can you confirm that's the same part shown in that catalog for the '68 Corvette rallye wheel (which was 7" wide)?   I believe the '67 Corvette had the same width rallye wheels as the '68 Z28 (ie. 6" wide)?   I believe there was a small difference in offset between the Corvette and Camaro wheels of the same width/dia...
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« Reply #53 on: January 31, 2014, 03:53:19 PM »

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Gary, Is the P&A book you have a GM Master Parts catalogue just for Camaro? The Chevelle #39 JPG page is from a April/76  Chevelle GM Master parts Book. Dont know why 2 books would/could? be wrong?

Corvette also used the same 4 clip trim ring in 1967, later issue Corvette Parts Book 14A dated Jan/1981 shows # 9796696 as the part number but I know I have a much earlier issue parts book at home, will check it tonite and repost. Guy I work/restore cars for has 1 of the lowest mile 67 Corvette 427/435HP know to exist, 6,000 miles, it was in the Corvette Bowling Green Museum and has documentation from NCRS, Bloomington Gold Special Collection as well as Zora Duntov as the Best Unmolested example known to Exist, it has the 4 clip trim rings, which are supposed to be the same as 1969 Z28, they are identical to the ones on my car, valve stem holes /clips etc.
Those repo trim rings are a different colour than originals, I think John Z posted before that the GM trim rings were flash chromed

I agree I don't even consider the reproduction/replacement aftermarket wheel covers... Smiley
Unless I'm confused, the '67 Corvette rallye was 6" wide, and the '68 Corvette Rallye was 7" wide (they went to 8" wide in '69).

The Parts Catalog I have which is most current to the '69 Z28 is shown in the cover page photo; this is a 4"-5" thick catalog double sides on thin paper.  (covers all relevant models - for purposes of our discussion - except Corvette).
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« Reply #54 on: January 31, 2014, 03:54:57 PM »

This Master Parts Catalog mentioned is for the Camaro only.  I do have a later Catalog for Corvettes but I will have to locate it ........will check back in later.
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« Reply #55 on: January 31, 2014, 03:59:44 PM »

You have to remember that service parts are not the same as a production part.  If the service parts division already had a 14 or 15" trim ring for another car already in production they would use that ring as the service part and not create a new Camaro specific service part.  All a service part had to do was be functionally equivalent to the original production part, it did not have to be the exact same part.
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« Reply #56 on: January 31, 2014, 04:05:53 PM »

My Corvette P & A 30B dated September 1973 states.....
     #9796696    67 Corvette w/ 15x6JK wheel.  
     #3923626    68-74 Corvette w/rally wheel
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« Reply #57 on: January 31, 2014, 04:40:45 PM »

Does anyone in the group have a P&A catalog dated within the '69 Camaro production period?

Yup, I have an old "Brownie" P&A 34 (revision number 2) with an effective date of 10-1-68 and a revised date of 2-15-69.  It states:

67-69 CAMARO (302) (15" wheel w/ disc brake) . . . . . 3901704       9.55       RING ASSY., wheel trim . . . . . . . 4

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« Reply #58 on: January 31, 2014, 04:49:40 PM »

I have a Camaro Master Parts Catalog No. 691A dated July 1969.  #3901708 shows as.......1969/ALL WITH 15 IN WHEEL.  There is no mention of #9796696 at all.

My old "Brownie" P&A 34 (revision number 2) with an effective date of 10-1-68 and a revised date of 2-15-69 list 3901708 as...

68 CAMARO w/ 15" wheel,
69 CAMARO  (exc. Disc Brk) . . . . . 3901708       9.55       RING ASSY., wheel trim  (16-5/8" O.D.)  (15 x 6JK) . . . . . . . 4


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« Reply #59 on: January 31, 2014, 04:54:57 PM »

I have a Camaro Master Parts Catalog No. 691A dated July 1969.  #3901708 shows as.......1969/ALL WITH 15 IN WHEEL.  There is no mention of #9796696 at all.

My old "Brownie" P&A 34 (revision number 2) with an effective date of 10-1-68 and a revised date of 2-15-69 list 3901708 as...

68 CAMARO w/ 15" wheel,
69 CAMARO  (exc. Disc Brk) . . . . . 3901708       9.55       RING ASSY., wheel trim  (16-5/8" O.D.)  (15 x 6JK) . . . . . . . 4


I have a Camaro Master Parts Catalog No. 691A dated July 1969.  #3901708 shows as.......1969/ALL WITH 15 IN WHEEL.  There is no mention of #9796696 at all.

My old "Brownie" P&A 34 (revision number 2) with an effective date of 10-1-68 and a revised date of 2-15-69 list 3901708 as...

68 CAMARO w/ 15" wheel,
69 CAMARO  (exc. Disc Brk) . . . . . 3901708       9.55       RING ASSY., wheel trim  (16-5/8" O.D.)  (15 x 6JK) . . . . . . . 4


and ??

67-69 CAMARO (302) (15" wheel w/ disc brake) . . . . . 3901704       9.55       RING ASSY., wheel trim . . . . . . . 4

I'm rapidly losing confidence in these GM/Chevy parts catalogs...  Sad   
the one I previously referenced in post #42 of this thread, lists the 3901704 as being for a '6" wheel and only 1-34" wide....
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« Reply #60 on: January 31, 2014, 05:20:13 PM »

Well looks like both will work.  Good thing because I spent 400.00 on these trim rings lol

Its been great to see all the responses and information gathered.  This site is great to be a part of!!!!
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« Reply #61 on: January 31, 2014, 07:03:00 PM »

Well looks like both will work.  Good thing because I spent 400.00 on these trim rings lol

Its been great to see all the responses and information gathered.  This site is great to be a part of!!!!

I'm not so sure both will work!?!? Would be interesting to have at least one person identify that early of a car had those type trim rings. Can you post a picture of what you purchased?
Here are some pics of the trim rings I thought were purchased in 1979 but actually the ship date is Sept. 1980. Invoice has no date, hence the picture of the UPS label. These were purchased for our 68Z.



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« Reply #62 on: January 31, 2014, 11:14:08 PM »

Those trims have the correct looking valve stem hole, and the correct looking clips.   
How wide is the trim ring, Chick??   My parts book says that trim is only 1-3/4" wide and is for a 6" wide rallye...??
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« Reply #63 on: February 01, 2014, 11:04:59 AM »

I should have clarified that both will work at the Nationals as Jerry mentioned.   
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« Reply #64 on: February 01, 2014, 02:32:28 PM »

Those trims have the correct looking valve stem hole, and the correct looking clips.   
How wide is the trim ring, Chick??   My parts book says that trim is only 1-3/4" wide and is for a 6" wide rallye...??

Yes Gary, they are 1 3/4" wide and for the 67/68 DF 15X6 rally wheel. Good eye and why I took the picture that way as I thought later version wheel clips were installed and oriented differently. I always found it interesting that a 67 DC (Corvette) 15X6 was not the same trim ring as the DF 15X6 but the same trim ring as the 69Z wheels......
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« Reply #65 on: February 01, 2014, 11:08:19 PM »

Those trims have the correct looking valve stem hole, and the correct looking clips.   
How wide is the trim ring, Chick??   My parts book says that trim is only 1-3/4" wide and is for a 6" wide rallye...??

Yes Gary, they are 1 3/4" wide and for the 67/68 DF 15X6 rally wheel. Good eye and why I took the picture that way as I thought later version wheel clips were installed and oriented differently. I always found it interesting that a 67 DC (Corvette) 15X6 was not the same trim ring as the DF 15X6 but the same trim ring as the 69Z wheels......

The trim rings that were on my '68 Z28 i 1974 when I purchased it were wider than 1-3/4"..  I would have to measure them to see how wide.  They were less width than the '69 trim ring, and the valve stem opening 'opens' all the way to back of the trim ring (ie. like a U shape).   I still have 3 of those trims, so I will take some photos and measurements and post them.
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« Reply #66 on: February 02, 2014, 07:39:28 AM »

This is what I thought was an older designed 4 clip and orientation but for sure no expert and not 100% sure. Note how the clip is imbedded in the metal!

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« Reply #67 on: June 05, 2014, 02:50:40 PM »

Further to this post,- Today I stripped some original YH wheels dated K-1-9-1-28 YH and there was no evidence of the gouging on the rims that the finger/serrated type trim ring makes.
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« Reply #68 on: July 07, 2014, 03:35:36 AM »

I just looked at an original paint, original owner 69 Z. 05A NOR.
Fingers on all wheels, all parts are original and show only finger gouges on the wheel.
Very solid datapoint.
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« Reply #69 on: July 21, 2014, 12:00:13 PM »

As I mentioned in previous threads I believe that both at some point where used on the 69 z's.  It is always good to agree to disagree and move on to the next fun subject.  Hope everyone is having a great summer!!!
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