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BULLITT65

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real tag?
« on: September 06, 2013, 08:22:26 AM »
Saw this car on ebay
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chevrolet-Camaro-DZ-302-1969-rs-z-28-show-quality-loaded-free-shipping-warranty-/121171362214?forcerrptr=true&hash=item1c366041a6&item=121171362214&pt=US_Cars_Trucks

The tag looked a little funny to me but I wanted those of you who can spot a fake from a real firewall tag to weigh in please
1969 garnet red Z/28 46k mile unrestored X77
Looking for 3192477 (front) spiral shocks 3192851 (rear) please
Looking for an original LOF soft ray windshield
Looking for original Delco side post negative battery cable part # 6297651AV

KevinW

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Re: real tag?
« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2013, 10:49:21 AM »
While it is a nice car, I am voting for a repro trim tag. The car also does not have the wood grain dash or the correct rear qtr interior panels, so I would guess the deluxe interior is not factory either. :) The other stampings need some checking with better pics too

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Re: real tag?
« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2013, 11:12:42 AM »
12A build week and an X33 trim code (plus a bunch of other tag issues) equal a repro tag.
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Re: real tag?
« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2013, 12:07:55 PM »
05-11 date for a 12A trim tag..




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Re: real tag?
« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2013, 12:19:38 PM »
Not original.
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« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2013, 01:31:37 PM »
It's a lot of cash;...........for a "creation"          Jim

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Re: real tag?
« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2013, 02:37:01 PM »
 I give the seller credit for discolsing it is a restamped motor and his careful use of words like 'correct' vs. original.
The tag looks like it was stamped on the same machine for not only the vehicle specific codes, but the 'blank' tag info as well (ST TR....)
It is a nice looking car though. Is the drive shaft optional?  ;)

Mike
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Re: real tag?
« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2013, 03:02:54 PM »
Here is the tag punched up a couple notches.... Danny

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Re: real tag?
« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2013, 03:24:16 PM »
12A build week and an X33 trim code (plus a bunch of other tag issues) equal a repro tag.
so what was the first known week for X codes? (jerrys book says the first week of december of 68)
1969 garnet red Z/28 46k mile unrestored X77
Looking for 3192477 (front) spiral shocks 3192851 (rear) please
Looking for an original LOF soft ray windshield
Looking for original Delco side post negative battery cable part # 6297651AV

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Re: real tag?
« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2013, 03:49:51 PM »
I give the seller credit for discolsing it is a restamped motor and his careful use of words like 'correct' vs. original.
The tag looks like it was stamped on the same machine for not only the vehicle specific codes, but the 'blank' tag info as well (ST TR....)
It is a nice looking car though. Is the drive shaft optional?  ;)

Mike

Yeah I didn't read any of the salesman lingo just glanced over the pics once at work.  Good eye on the missing driveshaft.


12A build week and an X33 trim code (plus a bunch of other tag issues) equal a repro tag.
so what was the first known week for X codes? (jerrys book says the first week of december of 68)
Darrell Cook
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1968 Rallye Green SS L78 - unrestored original
1968 Matador Red Z28

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Re: real tag?
« Reply #10 on: September 06, 2013, 03:59:30 PM »
For future searches...

VIN:  124379N552638

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Re: real tag?
« Reply #11 on: September 06, 2013, 04:29:36 PM »
FYI my 12A has no X code, the body# is 188744, the vin is 557961.  Something does not add up.
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« Reply #12 on: September 06, 2013, 05:08:57 PM »
based on uniform production rate, VIN xxxx N552638 would have been produced on the 1st production day of December (Monday, 2 Dec) whereas Kelly King's VIN xxxx557961 would have been produced either the 6th or 7th production day of December (9 or 10th), a week later, so if they were really hustling that first week or December, (to make up for the Thanksgiving day they missed?).. maybe Kelly's car was produced a day or so earlier than would have been expected - to put them into the same production week?   
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Re: real tag?
« Reply #13 on: September 06, 2013, 06:16:59 PM »
The production rate of 57/Hr x 16 hrs = 912/Day was constant, so the only way to makeup production would be add more days or add more shifts.
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« Reply #14 on: September 06, 2013, 10:02:42 PM »
I did the calculations based on 21 production days in Dec '68, meaning 863/day..   Perhaps there was only 20 production days (extra day for Christmas?) in which case, Kelly's car would still have been 5 production days later.. ie.   6th day versus 1st day
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