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BULLITT65

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real tag?
« on: September 06, 2013, 08:22:26 AM »
Saw this car on ebay
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chevrolet-Camaro-DZ-302-1969-rs-z-28-show-quality-loaded-free-shipping-warranty-/121171362214?forcerrptr=true&hash=item1c366041a6&item=121171362214&pt=US_Cars_Trucks

The tag looked a little funny to me but I wanted those of you who can spot a fake from a real firewall tag to weigh in please
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Re: real tag?
« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2013, 10:49:21 AM »
While it is a nice car, I am voting for a repro trim tag. The car also does not have the wood grain dash or the correct rear qtr interior panels, so I would guess the deluxe interior is not factory either. :) The other stampings need some checking with better pics too
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Re: real tag?
« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2013, 11:12:42 AM »
12A build week and an X33 trim code (plus a bunch of other tag issues) equal a repro tag.
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Re: real tag?
« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2013, 12:07:55 PM »
05-11 date for a 12A trim tag..




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Re: real tag?
« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2013, 12:19:38 PM »
Not original.
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Re: real tag?
« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2013, 01:31:37 PM »
It's a lot of cash;...........for a "creation"          Jim
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Re: real tag?
« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2013, 02:37:01 PM »
 I give the seller credit for discolsing it is a restamped motor and his careful use of words like 'correct' vs. original.
The tag looks like it was stamped on the same machine for not only the vehicle specific codes, but the 'blank' tag info as well (ST TR....)
It is a nice looking car though. Is the drive shaft optional?  ;)

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Re: real tag?
« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2013, 03:02:54 PM »
Here is the tag punched up a couple notches.... Danny
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BULLITT65

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Re: real tag?
« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2013, 03:24:16 PM »
Quote from: Mark on September 06, 2013, 11:12:42 AM
12A build week and an X33 trim code (plus a bunch of other tag issues) equal a repro tag.
so what was the first known week for X codes? (jerrys book says the first week of december of 68)
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Re: real tag?
« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2013, 03:49:51 PM »
Quote from: Mike S on September 06, 2013, 02:37:01 PM
I give the seller credit for discolsing it is a restamped motor and his careful use of words like 'correct' vs. original.
The tag looks like it was stamped on the same machine for not only the vehicle specific codes, but the 'blank' tag info as well (ST TR....)
It is a nice looking car though. Is the drive shaft optional?  ;)

Mike

Yeah I didn't read any of the salesman lingo just glanced over the pics once at work.  Good eye on the missing driveshaft.


Quote from: BULLITT65 on September 06, 2013, 03:24:16 PM
Quote from: Mark on September 06, 2013, 11:12:42 AM
12A build week and an X33 trim code (plus a bunch of other tag issues) equal a repro tag.
so what was the first known week for X codes? (jerrys book says the first week of december of 68)
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Re: real tag?
« Reply #10 on: September 06, 2013, 03:59:30 PM »
For future searches...

VIN:  124379N552638

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Re: real tag?
« Reply #11 on: September 06, 2013, 04:29:36 PM »
FYI my 12A has no X code, the body# is 188744, the vin is 557961.  Something does not add up.
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« Reply #12 on: September 06, 2013, 05:08:57 PM »
based on uniform production rate, VIN xxxx N552638 would have been produced on the 1st production day of December (Monday, 2 Dec) whereas Kelly King's VIN xxxx557961 would have been produced either the 6th or 7th production day of December (9 or 10th), a week later, so if they were really hustling that first week or December, (to make up for the Thanksgiving day they missed?).. maybe Kelly's car was produced a day or so earlier than would have been expected - to put them into the same production week?   
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Re: real tag?
« Reply #13 on: September 06, 2013, 06:16:59 PM »
The production rate of 57/Hr x 16 hrs = 912/Day was constant, so the only way to makeup production would be add more days or add more shifts.
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« Reply #14 on: September 06, 2013, 10:02:42 PM »
I did the calculations based on 21 production days in Dec '68, meaning 863/day..   Perhaps there was only 20 production days (extra day for Christmas?) in which case, Kelly's car would still have been 5 production days later.. ie.   6th day versus 1st day
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« Reply #15 on: November 23, 2013, 03:15:27 AM »
old thread,but car is back up for sale. I must say, the model posing is the highlight of the ad at least that is what caused my interest. A lot of coin for a fake IMO.
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Re: real tag?
« Reply #16 on: November 23, 2013, 03:34:35 AM »
Quote from: ko-lek-tor on November 23, 2013, 03:15:27 AM
old thread,but car is back up for sale. I must say, the model posing is the highlight of the ad at least that is what caused my interest. A lot of coin for a fake IMO.

Nice stance, great body curves & lovely headlights just make me want to drive this beauty hard.  ;)
I am referring to the car of course!

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« Reply #17 on: November 24, 2013, 03:05:01 AM »
Quote from: ko-lek-tor on November 23, 2013, 03:15:27 AM
old thread,but car is back up for sale. I must say, the model posing is the highlight of the ad at least that is what caused my interest. A lot of coin for a fake IMO.
Oops! realized I forgot link:  http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chevrolet-Camaro-DZ-302-1969-rs-z-28-show-quality-loaded-video-/121220603222?forcerrptr=true&hash=item1c394f9d56&item=121220603222&pt=US_Cars_Trucks
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Re: real tag?
« Reply #18 on: November 24, 2013, 03:47:27 AM »
I am pretty sure she is fake , just like the trim tag...  :o
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-Looking for 3192477 (front) spiral shocks 3192851 (rear)
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-Looking for original Delco side post negative battery cable part # 6297651AV

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Re: real tag?
« Reply #19 on: November 24, 2013, 03:51:52 AM »
Quote from: BULLITT65 on November 24, 2013, 03:47:27 AM
I am pretty sure she is fake , just like the trim tag...  :o

LOL!   ;D

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