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« on: January 04, 2013, 01:52:54 AM »

Hey Guys,

I came across this and I am baffled by the VIN and the trim tag.  I feel this may be a fake but I am not 100% sure.  From what I understand, the pace cars were all 02D - 05A.  The earliest pace car build date I have seen is from the first of the festival cars at 607547.  This car is quite early, but may certainly be possible as it is close to when these were built.  Darn nice car and real nice price if it's real.  What do you guys think?

http://desert-autosport.ebizautos.com/webdetail.aspx?iid=9261023

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« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2013, 11:13:35 AM »

Trim tag is a fake.
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« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2013, 11:14:59 AM »

Unless I missed it, no where in the ad does it state that this is a Pace Car; Just says 69 convertible?

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« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2013, 11:38:36 AM »

Yep... only the tag says 'Z11' with the color codes...  the other data on the 'supposedly fake tag' could be match to the original TT...?   in which case, someone may have a very original car EXCEPT for the colors and tag.   Does appear to be a very nice car if that is all that is faked....   trim tag and colors don't affect how it drives/looks..  Smiley  ..  only how it's thought of by those deep into the hobby.

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« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2013, 01:12:06 PM »

Also, along with the Z11 trim tag, there is the slight matter of the door decals showing "Official Pace Car" which may be slightly misleading for prospective buyers wanting an Indy Pace Car, despite the advertisement heading not stating that this is an actual Pace Car. 

Those not as savvy as us guys here may think they are getting a very nice big block pace car at a decent price, when in all reality, they would be buying a nicely optioned convertible.


There is this item as well that makes all of us concerned...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Camaro-Trim-Tag-Cowl-Plate-Z11-Pace-Car-SS-Original-/110994617794?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item19d7cb75c2&vxp=mtr

Pop one of these on your appropriately VIN numbered convertible and with the correct paint job, you upped the value of your Camaro by $10K to $20K.




 

     
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« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2013, 01:40:19 PM »

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There is this item as well that makes all of us concerned...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Camaro-Trim-Tag-Cowl-Plate-Z11-Pace-Car-SS-Original-/110994617794?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item19d7cb75c2&vxp=mtr

Pop one of these on your appropriately VIN numbered convertible and with the correct paint job, you upped the value of your Camaro by $10K to $20K.

For future searches:

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« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2013, 02:15:44 PM »

Thats a good Z11 tag its an 04C tag, just floating around loose.

The fake one is"


VIN is 589611

So by the logic above. If I place an X33 on a trim tag and advertise it as a Camaro coupe, I should be OK, after all it's just a Camaro?
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« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2013, 10:33:54 PM »

I agree that the Norwood body number sequence may in fact belong to that vehicle as born-with while the vin sequence puts it about 100 numbers before the last January vin posted in the database here.  Not so sure that the 1c would not be right for that set of numbers either, but as far as being a born Z11 never heard of one earlier then 2d.

But here is a bad thought my head has running today... what if this is the missing press conference pace car announcement mock up? That vehicle was originally just a production 396 pulled off the line that had its 396 badging removed when painted right, given houndstooth and orange door skins and paraded in front of the media as the Pace Car....  So 40 something years later someone finds the vehicle as is and restores the vehicle to the Pace Car rep Z-11 standards and feels the trim tag needs to represent Z11 and also adds back the 396 jewelry on the fenders?  Is that missing mock-up not a pace car replica? Maybe not a production marked Z-11 but hummm  I'm not so sure I'd kick it out of the barn? That particular vehicle has more rights then most to the party IMHO Smiley
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« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2013, 08:57:15 AM »

Don't you think if that was the case it would be mentioned and touted in the ad, along with some kind of documentation?  It's just another clone, no different than a standard Camaro with an X33 or X77 trim tag.

The only good thing about it for us with PCs in the garage, is that we have made the big time when the fake tags start popping up.  Apparently the scammers feel it makes the cars worth more than an equivalent convertible.  This makes about 5 or so fake tags I have now for Z11's, to go along with the hundred or so Z28 tags.
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« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2013, 09:01:25 AM »

I'm just saying that vehicle is out there somewhere, undocumented and widely unknown, stranger things have turned up on auction by folks totally unaware.
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« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2013, 09:29:23 AM »

Was the original mockup really a 396?  Why would they have removed the 396 emblems?  The only cars without engine size emblems was the base L6 car.  The original had a steel front bumper.  I think they just grabbed a white convertible off the line, added the stripes interior and SS emblems to the fender (at least) and set it up on the dias to show what it was suppossed to look like.  If it was a 396 it would of already had the emblems on it.

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« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2013, 09:58:01 AM »

What was the date of the first press conference showing the white/orange pace car?   Does no one know where that car is today?

PS.  A Nomad friend, whom I haven't seen in many years, (Bill Edney of S.C.) found the 50th anniversary GM car (a 'gold 55 BelAir hardtop) after around 20 yrs of 'obscurity'.   He found the car in a chicken coop, having been painted with a brush, wrecked and forgotten...  He bought the car for the rear end.   When he got it home and began pulling the rear, the shocks stretched out, and under the dirt/crude, he saw the clean golden portion of the shock as it came out of it's shroud.   that car had all the trim gold plated, was painted gold, and was a 'big deal' at GM He was able to verify by sn and parts that the car WAS GM's Golden Anniversary car!   HOW does such a car end up in a chicken coop?
Isn't it possible that the introductory '69 Pace Car vert could have been 'forgotten' over the years, especially if the TT didn't identify it as a Z11?

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« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2013, 10:04:31 AM »

It's been refered to as a mockup, thats why I think it was just a display peice.  Note the black rocker treatment on the drivers side, but not the passenger side, no quarter panel gills on the passenger side.  These are not the type of issues you would expect on a completed car, that was going to be put infront of the media, if it was specifically built for that purpose.  The car may have been grabbed from a local dealership in the Indy area and fixed up to look like the proposed pace car configuration.
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« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2013, 10:08:47 AM »

Anything is possible if the car isn't known today.    Does anyone know the date of that tony Hulman press conference introducing the car? 
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« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2013, 01:51:03 PM »

I saw the black drivers side rocker... lol
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