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« Reply #15 on: July 09, 2013, 12:35:02 PM »

Nope. Other than the cover and possibly a feature car color was rare in magazines back in the '60s. The only color engine photo I recall was the L78 in the Mr Bardahl '68 Camaro SS.

As for Car Life and the cross-ram you have to wonder what they expected. The test car had exhaust manifolds and 4.10 gears-even a stock Z/28 was a mutt with that setup. The July '68 Car and Driver had a '68 Z/28 from Chevy engineering with everything imaginable. The engineer with the car stated the cross-ram was for track use only, designed to work at sustained high rpm. That's 1,200 cfm of carburation. I bought the remains of a T/A car in the '80s and the owner said even on the track a cross-ram was hard to drive.
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« Reply #16 on: July 09, 2013, 02:42:07 PM »

Top pic has the diverter valve muffler welded to the body.
The bottom pic has the wiring harness tied to the heater hoses.
My 08C car has the same plastic tie holding the harness to the heater hoses. Not sure when they may have switched to this.
To camarox33 I would suggest along with finding original pictures, looking at some original cars at shows, I have learned more from seeing original unrestored engine bays then seeing the pictures of guys camaros that you could eat off of. Any engine compartment that is super clean has had its share of refurbishment and resto to make it look that way. My car has 46k which is on the high side if your looking for original finish and color. There are a few low milage cars still out there that have been stored well, this will put you on the right path.
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1969 garnet red Z/28 46k mile unrestored X77
Looking for 3192477 (front) spiral shocks 3192851 (rear) please
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« Reply #17 on: July 09, 2013, 03:18:07 PM »

Something I noticed was the first pic shows the power steering cap as the plastic multi rib top.  When was the transition from the other 2 rib metal cap?  My Nov built 307 car had the 2 rib metal cap..?..  Was it another case of multiple suppliers?
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« Reply #18 on: July 09, 2013, 06:09:48 PM »

Thanks David!

The photos show some interesting differences. #1 has a strap on the alternator bracket to retain the heater hoses. #2 has a ty-wrap. The air cleaner mesh and diverter valves differ. #1 doesn't have a 302 decal on the lid. Both have top terminal reverse-polarity batteries.

#1 was a very early production car. Hot Rod, Sports Car Graphic and Popular Hot Rodding used it for testing. Hot Rod kept it and did some mods featured in the May' 69 issue along with a few good photos. With 5.38 gears it went 12.73/110.

#2 was probably built Feb-March as it was featured in August mags. JL8 with a yellow interior. Car Life had a cross-ram installed.

For #2, I just got the August 1969 Car Life.  Here's the engine pics with the cross-ram.  From the article, it appears they were very disappointed with the cross-ram.


Here's a link to the larger picture: http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l604/1969Z/Misc/yellowZ.jpg



So what's the sticker on the radiator shroud?
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« Reply #19 on: July 09, 2013, 06:21:25 PM »

just the timing decal, I think the LA cars it was more common to see it on the shroud, where Norwood cars it would be on the radiator support just to the right of center.
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Looking for 3192477 (front) spiral shocks 3192851 (rear) please
Looking for an original LOF soft ray windshield
Looking for original Delco side post negative battery cable part # 6297651AV
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« Reply #20 on: July 09, 2013, 06:32:23 PM »

The installation requirement in the AIM is "Tune-up sticker must be readable from front of vehicle" so either works but A/C cars could not have it on the core support.
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« Reply #21 on: July 09, 2013, 08:08:40 PM »

There are a few low milage cars still out there that have been stored well, this will put you on the right path.

If there are some 69 Z/28's with very low miles and stored well, I hope they post up some pics of their original unrestored engine bay.  I really like the pictures that JohnZ has posted.

My Z had 8 owners before me and most of the former owners made changes and repairs.  It only had 59,000 miles on it when I bought it but changes were made.  Even looking at 1969 magazines, it seems that day 2 changes were being made right on day 2.

my engine before restoration:


after restoration pics:



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« Reply #22 on: July 16, 2013, 12:44:04 AM »

http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=11009.45
here is the link regarding engine hooks, it has a good link to a 70 Z
with 1100 miles on it.
If you are looking for good original pics even though this is a 70, this is the kind of authentic images that will steer you in the right direction. You will notice that even though it only has 1100 miles all the finishes have a small amount of patina, the engine block is missing a little bit of paint, but all the brackets and bolts are what it left the factory with. They have not been removed re-plated and re-installed and then said to be all original. All original to me says original finish from the factory, not just factory correct.
They are only original once. Think about that, the original paint, plating, finish on the original part speaks volumes to if it is authentic/correct.
I think if you start from original, then the only thing you have to decipher is: are the date codes on your sample car or picture close enough to your own car to use it as a guide for your car.
Again just my 2 cents
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Looking for 3192477 (front) spiral shocks 3192851 (rear) please
Looking for an original LOF soft ray windshield
Looking for original Delco side post negative battery cable part # 6297651AV
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« Reply #23 on: July 16, 2013, 05:05:21 PM »

On the carb linkage for the cowl induction, does the flange that holds the switch go towards firewall?
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« Reply #24 on: July 17, 2013, 06:41:32 PM »

<< On the carb linkage for the cowl induction, does the flange that holds the switch go towards firewall? >>

The flange on the retainer clip goes on the back side of the bracket on the throttle arm, facing the firewall.
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« Reply #25 on: December 07, 2013, 09:54:30 AM »

Here's a better engine picture. If anything is not correct, please let me know.  I know there are a few things that I still have to fix.  Thanks!

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« Reply #26 on: December 07, 2013, 11:22:41 AM »

Upper control arms were assembled to the shaft with the bushings, then dip painted black. Ball joint added afterwards. So the shafts were painted to begin with but it did not adhere well. If you look closely at the Hot Rod test car it is apparent.

Very well done engine bay David!
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« Reply #27 on: December 07, 2013, 01:56:27 PM »

Yes, very impressive David.
Learning lots here for when I do mine down the road. CRG is by far the best source for original resto info that I have found.
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« Reply #28 on: December 07, 2013, 06:12:23 PM »

Upper control arms were assembled to the shaft with the bushings, then dip painted black. Ball joint added afterwards. So the shafts were painted to begin with but it did not adhere well. If you look closely at the Hot Rod test car it is apparent.

Very well done engine bay David!

William,

   Were the washer and bolts added after the A-arm was mounted to the frame, or was it part of the completed and painted assembly (minus the tightening of the bolts of course).

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« Reply #29 on: December 07, 2013, 09:37:07 PM »

Something I noticed was the first pic shows the power steering cap as the plastic multi rib top.  When was the transition from the other 2 rib metal cap?  My Nov built 307 car had the 2 rib metal cap..?..  Was it another case of multiple suppliers?
I've been watching PS caps for years - never seen an original 69 Camaro with a metal one. Possibly other car lines.....
There was a big discussion about them in the past.
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