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General Discussion / Re: 1968 Big block VS small block SS cars
« on: February 22, 2024, 04:00:14 PM »
From a Marketing point of view, the 396 was competition to the introduced Mustang 390 , unfortunately I bet the Stang BB cars smoked the Camaro as far as quantities.  T

Well, the Mustang had a 3 year head start at developing a following, and lets not forget, it was heavily marketed toward women so they got a huge push in sales with the females.

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Decoding/Numbers / Re: What is the earliest known 68 Z28?
« on: February 01, 2024, 08:00:03 PM »
checking the link above:
 #299 Oct 24, 2022

Here's the link again. My 68 was the last one added to that list in the link. 05C

https://www.camaros.net/threads/how-many-members-have-a-68-z-28.182224/page-15

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General Discussion / Re: My story and why to not give up looking.
« on: January 30, 2024, 01:42:13 PM »

Awesome story, and it is similar to mine. I would continue contacting the son, seeing you have had a good conversation with him already, and try a different angle. Maybe just say, "Seeing I have not heard back from your father or mother for that matter, perhaps they don't feel comfortable meeting with me, or even discussing the car with me so,...is there any other way you could at least email me copies of the photos they have of the car." Maybe that wil break the ice so to speak, while reminding them that they haven't gotten back to you yet.


Also, MacMulkin Chevrolet is still in business in New Hampshire. Have you ever reached out to them to see if they have any archived records?

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Research Topics & Reports / Re: 1968 SS hood ornaments
« on: January 29, 2024, 01:44:58 PM »
So far, looks like all 396 SS's have stacks, early or late,.....and as was discovered and mentioned in the first post, it seems like all early 350 SS's have fins (build dates prior to Nov 67).

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General Discussion / Re: My story and why to not give up looking.
« on: January 29, 2024, 12:40:16 PM »
This a great story and something I love about the car community. This is very motivating for me to keep grinding on this hunt, even if it takes years it's something worth pursuing. Figure if I bang on enough doors (figuratively of course) someone is bound to answer.
Fantastic story!  Congrats on filling in the holes of your cars history.
Great story. I bought my '68 from the original owner so know it's history. The first owner bought it for his only child who had for a while and eventually committed suicide while going to medical school. He kept it pristine for sentimental reasons until 1986 when he finally sold it to me after I badgered him for 3 years to sell it to me.
Now that was a good one, yet very involved for sure. Mine was so easy, just looked up white pages of name on Phillips 66 charge slip that was under seat carpet dated 1972 and found Eddie, and he was the original owner. What made that even better he had kept the original BOS and other paperwork from the car and gave it to me.
But Frank, again, what a story!

Thanks guys, it was quite a turn of events, going from decades of dead ends, to a sudden landslide of info that got me to the original owner. I have recently tried contacting the owner again through email for a few more pics he said he had, but he said they were dark. I told him any pictures would be appreciated and I reminded him if he gets a chance, I'd love to see them. But, like an attempt a few years ago, this email went unanswered. Hoping all is well with him.

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General Discussion / Re: My story and why to not give up looking.
« on: January 25, 2024, 12:52:49 PM »
Great story, congrats on filling in the gaps!
Great story of persistence paying off.

Thanks guys. One thing I forgot to mention is that I have had the car for 43 years, but have only actively been searching for the original owner for about the last 15 years of that, and 7 or 8 years ago, I found him. So it took about the same 7 years or so to track him down.

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General Discussion / Re: My story and why to not give up looking.
« on: January 24, 2024, 04:52:26 PM »
That story would mean nothing to 98% of the people but is golden here. Good for you!!

Yup, you have to either be a car guy first off, someone who has has a classic car a long time, someone who has owned classics, someone who wishes they could find a car they used to own,...or is just plain intrigued by automotive history in general.

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General Discussion / My story and why to not give up looking.
« on: January 24, 2024, 03:59:46 PM »
The "On the Hunt" thread got me thinking about when I was hunting for the original owner of my 1968 Camaro Z28, ex-Bob Johnson drag car that I have owned since 1981. Here is a reason to never give up, and a pretty amazing story why.

Like I have previously mentioned, I was hunting for the original owner of my Camaro, not searching for the car itself, but maybe how I found him would be of interest and you might be able to use this in your search.

I originally had an LEO, who was a friend of a friend, do an NICB report on my car to see where it was sold, and a dealership in NH was given to me. (this was before the NCRS was doing this) The NH dealer made sense, because I was in RI, and knew the car was traded in at Scuncio in 1972 by a man in the navy stationed in CT. (I got that much info from Bob Johnson, who took the trade in and then bought the car from Scuncio to turn it into a drag car)

After contacting the dealer that was now occupying the space the original dealer was, and finding out they didn't have any records from the old dealer, that search ended.

Fast forward to when the NCRS offered the reports. I sent in my $50, (which I now believe is $60) and low and behold, I got my report stating my Z28 was originally shipped to and sold out of a dealership in Tennessee. Yup, the first LEO gathered report was totally wrong.

I had somewhere to look now. I decided to run an ad in the Tennessee Craigslist under the "wanted" section looking for the original owner of a Le Mans Blue 68 Z28, bought new at Varnell Chevrolet Company, or anyone who remembers the dealership, the car, etc....

I continually renewed the ad and got lots of emails from people who read it, trying to help with advice like checking the DMV. Running the VIN on online VIN decoders, etc....all stuff I had tried already. Some did say they remember the dealer, an few thought the remembered seeing the car in the show room.

Then one day, after years of running the ad, a guy named Harold messaged me and said he still lives in the town, knew the dealer ship , and knows a local mechanic named Monk that used to work there doing new car prep, and said he will contact him. Sure enough, the guy remembered the car. It was originally ordered by a guy named Ernie who grew impatient for it to come in, so found another yellow Z28 at another dealership. When my car arrived, another man maned Larry bought it, and incidentally traded in a black 67 Camaro that this Monk gentlemen bought and still owns today.

Monk also knew Mrs. Varnell,...who was still living,..and knew the book keeper, and she told her when the dealership was sold, all the records were burned.

Harold kept giving me phone numbers, addresses, etc..of all parties involved, but before I could follow up on anything, he did,..lol.

Harold then found a woman named Sharon who ho had put together the local family history/ genealogy (Larry's family) If anyone can find our Larry, it will be her. She agreed to try to help. She said she thought she might know but would check to verify. She was excited when he told her about the 68 Camaro. She said she thought it was her husbands car since he owned one also but he had wrecked his and totaled it....obviously not my car.

Harold then tracked down Larry's brother, and confirmed Larry was in the Navy and was the owner of my Camaro,....and Harold began trying to contact Larry via two phone numbers but was getting no answer.

Harold got in touch with Larry, and he confirmed he was the original owner, and that's when Harold told me this,..."Incidentally, I am a retired criminal investigator so these things are hard to turn loose once you get involved."

I then finally got in touch with the original owner and he answered all the questions I had, and sent me, though email. the few photos he had from when he owned it.

Turns out when he bought it he was at home on leave from the Navel base in CT, did all the paperwork, payed for it, but had to go back to the base before the car was ready, so his wife drove it all the way from Tennessee to CT to him. Brand new Z28, 302, 4 speed,...what a woman.

I always wondered why the car had no stripes on it, and thought it was a stripe delete car because it had the "-" on the data tag representing "special paint", but turns out, he installed a cowl induction hood on it in 1970, and because of the sandy roads in CT beating up the lower sections of the car, he had the whole car painted minus the stripes. The special paint was the black Z28 stripes that were originally ordered on the car.

He traveled over the CT - RI line to Scuncio Chevrolet in 1972 and traded the car in for a Chevelle SS and that's where Bob Johnson, high performance manager and salesman, took ownership of it. He owned, raced and or sponsored the car until 1977, then it was raced by the next owner from 77 though 81,..1981 was when I bought it.

Getting a few pics of the car and talking to him, (he was a real motor head back then) finally filled in those 4 years of history before Bob Johnson owned and raced it.

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Originality / Re: Preservation of a 68 Camaro
« on: January 22, 2024, 01:38:10 PM »
It's been almost 3 months since any updates. This thread is addicting, and I need a fix...lol.

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General Discussion / Re: On the hunt
« on: January 22, 2024, 01:31:10 PM »
Great story. Don't give up. My story is the opposite of most, I was searching for the original owner of my 68 Z28, instead of looking for a long lost car. But, even though I live in RI, and the car was originally purchased from a dealership in Tennessee,...I did eventually find and get in touch with the original owner, and was able to get a few pictures from him of the car when brand new.

I think, regarding your hesitancy if you do find him, if you get his address, just send a letter to him. Yes, the old snail mail, it's less threatening than a knock at the door, and less likely to never be seen, like if you send him an email and it goes to his spam folder.  A letter explaining your story, with a couple of copies of pictures of the car from back when your father owned it, would definitely ease the fear he might have.

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General Discussion / Re: 1968 Camaro Z/28 on Hemmings
« on: January 19, 2024, 06:15:36 PM »
124378L3411401109 - 17 digit VIN on a 68?

Wow, must be a one of one special edition.  ;D

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General Discussion / Re: Assessing value of this car.
« on: January 19, 2024, 06:11:15 PM »
This Camaro is a Z in my opinion because that is how it was built at the factory. A Z28. I would love to own this Camaro because it is a Z. I would drop a 302 in it if I had it. If I didn't I would drop in a big block. Either way I would drive and enjoy it. Of course I would love to own an original Z if I could but I still consider this one a Z28

I agree, as I stated in post #24.

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General Discussion / Re: COPO for sale in CT.
« on: January 10, 2024, 08:01:59 PM »
There it is again - another ford fan caution sticker on a Camaro.  I'm sitting here shakin my head............WHY!!!!!!!!!!

I betcha Jim Osborn Reproductions is making a killin' on that sticker.   lol..................

I wonder is they even know those are Ford decals. So strange.

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General Discussion / Re: COPO for sale in CT.
« on: January 10, 2024, 07:28:42 PM »
You sound like a used car salesman. :)

Eh,....I try to see the good in every car if I can,...maybe growing older has mellowed me, so I'm not so picky anymore about other peoples cars and how others spend their money.

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