1967 partial VIN opinion

[huggerSS69RS]

Hi all,

I recently purchased a 67 Camaro with missing VIN and trim tags, which the previous owner has lost but is trying to find for me. Both secret VIN stampings match are in place on factory sheet metal. Can someone verify that the fourth digit in attached pic is a 3 as it almost looks like a backwards C to me? Unfortunately I don't have any other 67 partial VIN's with the number 3 to compare too.

My Camaro has V8 firewall piercings, engine mounts and accelerator pedal so I'm pretty sure the complete VIN should be 123477L132550.

I couldn't see any info on this VIN in orphans or documentation. Is there any other sources to try and get info on options if don't get trim tag?

Thanks in advance for any help

[fsc66]

If you're trying to determine what options came with your car based on VIN, there is no such information available unless the car was built or sold in Canada. Only info available based on a vin is original ordering dealer and build date through chevy muscle docs:  https://www.chevymuscledocs.com/

[huggerSS69RS]

Thanks for info fsc66.

What I need to do first is to confirm the fourth digit of my partial VIN is a number 3 as it looks a little odd but what else could it be?
I would like to see another 67 partial VIN stamping with the number 3 in to confirm, if someone can post?

[David K]

What does the other VIN show?

[bcmiller]

First thing you will want to do is look at the image right side up. The human brain generally processes things better than way. Like this.

Third digit could be a 3, could be a 0.

How does it compare to the metal VIN tag?

[Petes L48]

Per his first post, the original VIN and trim tag are missing, and the PO is searching for them.

He might look for original sheet metal codes, or if any of the original drivetrain remains, those date codes to get a rough timeframe.

[bcmiller]

Per his first post, the original VIN and trim tag are missing, and the PO is searching for them.

He might look for original sheet metal codes, or if any of the original drivetrain remains, those date codes to get a rough timeframe.

Gotcha.

In my opinion, I would totally avoid the car. There is no way to prove what the full original VIN was for that shell. Get the state to assign a VIN to the shell. Chances of determining the original VIN with 100 percent certainty are EXTREMELY low.

[huggerSS69RS]

Makes no sense what your saying bcmiller.

The VIN for a 1967 Camaro "coupe" would either start with 12337 for a 6 cylinder or 12437 for a V8, then you just add the partial VIN for 100% match to full VIN.
Firewall does not have 6 cylinder piercings but has V8 engine mounts and accelerator pedal as mentioned, so it would have a 12437 prefix.
I'm only questioning that the 3 in partial VIN looks a little odd to me, however, the leading edges look to sharp for it to be 0.
I'll take the heater box off when I get to the car next and see how that partial VIN compares.

Hopefully the PO comes through with tags in the meantime.

Regards

[bcmiller]

Believe what you want. I gave you an honest assessment.

Law enforcement in most states will not issue you a title for a body without an original VIN tag.

The partial VIN you posted is not 100 percent readable and won't convince anyone that you know with 100 percent certainty.

[GMAD_Van Nuys]

As I believe you are located in Australia, you can have a search performed on the website below to see if there are any records on a particular VIN number:

https://www.ppsr.gov.au/searching/do-used-car-or-vehicle-search

[bcmiller]

If you are indeed in Australia and the tags are not on the car, it may be stolen.

You can't just put a new VIN tag on a body. And as for a body tag, you will have no way to determine a correct body number or option codes. You might be able to determine the original exterior colors and interior color.

I suggest you get the tags from the previous owner if you can. I would never buy a car without tags and paperwork.

Explain what firewall piercings you think are different from 1967 L6 car to a V8 car.

[huggerSS69RS]

Yes I was concerned of the possibility that it may have been stolen but as GMAD mentioned, I did get a PPSR check before I handed over any money to ensure I wasn't exposed to any problems. The PPSR came back clear with no interests or liens and covers the purchaser of any liability here in Australia.
The car could not have been stolen in USA either, otherwise it wouldn't get into the country as Customs are all over that stuff.

I agree about tags and determining options without the trim tag will be hard and can only go off original parts. There's plenty to look at as even the electrical harness can tell me things like sail panel lights for deluxe interior etc.
It appears to be pretty much a base model except for power steer and power disc brakes and that's how it will stay as I'm not into making it a replica or fitting wrong tags or parts. For example, if there's no firewall hole for U17 gauges they won't be fitted. It might be a candidate for pro touring?
Confident I'll get the tags though and this is just a back up.

As for piercings, these are shown in factory AIM manual with three holes in firewall for 6 cylinder per UPC 1 and UPC 6.

Thanks

[Stingr69]

Neither of those 2 possible V8 VINs come up in the NICB database as stolen or as a total loss vehicle, per insurance company records.  Not saying you are out of the woods but at least you know that. 

Removing the VIN tag is trouble. It would not be wise to put a lot of money into that car.

[bcmiller]

I also ran the on line NICB VIN check, but I have not found this to be 100 percent reliable.

[bcmiller]

Makes no sense what your saying bcmiller.

The VIN for a 1967 Camaro "coupe" would either start with 12337 for a 6 cylinder or 12437 for a V8, then you just add the partial VIN for 100% match to full VIN.
Firewall does not have 6 cylinder piercings but has V8 engine mounts and accelerator pedal as mentioned, so it would have a 12437 prefix.
I'm only questioning that the 3 in partial VIN looks a little odd to me, however, the leading edges look to sharp for it to be 0.
I'll take the heater box off when I get to the car next and see how that partial VIN compares.

Hopefully the PO comes through with tags in the meantime.

Regards

Yes, hopefully the previous owner comes through with the tags!

I have been around these Camaros since the 70s, parted out many.  If there are indeed firewall piercing differences, you may be able to help educate me on that. For 1967, I am not aware of any cars getting the throttle cable - that option was cancelled for 67.  Is there something else different?