VIN tag problem

[william]

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1969-chevrolet-camaro-z-28-132/

124379N612301

VIN tag only, sold on eBay September, 2001.

[rocco376]

I wonder if there are any other cars with as much fraud perpetrated as the stuff that goes on with 1969 Z28's.

[Z282NV]

It is amazing the information and data you have collected
William. You are a credit to this hobby.  Is there a way to report this to BaT without posting it on line? If so, maybe BaT would pull the auction???

[67conv6cyl]

I would say, nobody should ever buy a 1969 camaro without checking with William first!

[rocco376]

It looks like the hard questions are already being asked on the auction.

[camaronut]

The seller showed a picture of the hidden VIN from top the cowl - it matches.  He's gonna post it .

[BillOhio]

My car is about a month behind this one.  The pictures I have of mine are when the factory glue  was smeared over the stamp and hard to compare.   It would be interesting to see the back of the cowl.  Was there a tag or body with the vin tag?   Block looks to be a restamp and the Chinese booster makes me wonder what else is wrong.  Oh the upside down air cleaner seal also

[BULLITT65]

I see the new pic of the cowl VIN stamp. Curious as to how this car came together. With todays craftsman anything is possible to recreate an expensive muscle car. I agree on the block having a re-stamp. Upside down seals are common on real Z cars and the fakes though.

[boomer632]

I see the new pic of the cowl VIN stamp. Curious as to how this car came together. With todays craftsman anything is possible to recreate an expensive muscle car. I agree on the block having a re-stamp. Upside down seals are common on real Z cars and the fakes though.

Why do you guys think engine stamp is a re-stamp?

[william]

Because it does not compare with other, known original V0124DZ stampings.

[67conv6cyl]

All you have to do is cut both hidden vin section out of trashed parts car and weld it in both areas on car where hidden vins are, that's been done over and over. Very common when people change cowl sections on the actual car that a certain vin came from originally. You also often see vins and trim tags for sale with metal sections from a beyond repair car.

The only thing I see that makes it harder and harder to do that is people like William!

[GMAD_Van Nuys]

The posting from camaro.net on Sept. 5, 2001 says that the upper dash panel was for sale on eBay, which included the VIN tag:

https://www.camaros.net/threads/69-camaro-vin-tag-for-sale-on-ebay.25306/

[camaronut]

This is giving me a headache.

[AFONEFE]

All you have to do is cut both hidden vin section out of trashed parts car and weld it in both areas on car where hidden vins are, that's been done over and over. Very common when people change cowl sections on the actual car that a certain vin came from originally. You also often see vins and trim tags for sale with metal sections from a beyond repair car.

The only thing I see that makes it harder and harder to do that is people like William!

You are correct.  I have been on three different inspections with JM and seen exactly what you have described.  They can smooth out the wield from the top of hidden VIN from but you can clearly see the patch and wield from the backside.

[KurtS]

There is a possibility the car is real.  The guy sold the car and the buyer didn't get the VIN tag and didn't come back for it. He then listed the VIN on ebay in 2001. I don't know how that auction ended, but it the buyer may have returned for it....  needs to be checked over!
Tag and partial look OK. Pad is a nasty restamp.