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That exhaust piping looks correct, which you rarely see on verts. Not a fan of the 69 body, but thats a deal all day IMHO. Clean it up, drive it, enjoy it.

I agree on the "deal",....especially for a Camaro enthusiast who happens to be a body and paint guy,...not paying anyone to do that resto work, you can almost double the value in that car without breaking the bank.

["This is a real 1969 Camaro Pace Car. The vin has been verified with the hidden vin. The engine has been verified to be NUMBERS MATCHING. The Muncie transmission has the correct vin stamped in it. I don't know the story of this car other than the person I bought it from had it for about forty years. He had no idea if the engine was original or was replaced by a dealer."]

First it says the engine has been verified, then he says as far as the owner of it for 40 years was concerned,, it's not known if it was replaced.

"This is a real 1969 Camaro Pace Car. The vin has been verified with the hidden vin. The engine has been verified to be NUMBERS MATCHING. The Muncie transmission has the correct vin stamped in it. I don't know the story of this car other than the person I bought it from had it for about forty years. He had no idea if the engine was original or was replaced by a dealer."

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1853519316079303/?ref=browse_tab&referral_code=marketplace_general&referral_story_type=general_listing&tracking=%7B%22qid%22%3A%22-5857835113093083732%22%2C%22mf_story_key%22%3A%224130239409200314154%22%2C%22top_level_post_id%22%3A%224130239409200314154%22%2C%22commerce_rank_obj%22%3A%22%7B%5C%22target_id%5C%22%3A4130239409200314154%2C%5C%22target_type%5C%22%3A6%2C%5C%22primary_position%5C%22%3A43%2C%5C%22ranking_signature%5C%22%3A197220911999276826%2C%5C%22ranking_region%5C%22%3A%5C%22atn%5C%22%2C%5C%22ranking_request_id%5C%22%3A7326325656683031636%2C%5C%22commerce_channel%5C%22%3A501%2C%5C%22value%5C%22%3A0.00075898838016049%2C%5C%22upsell_type%5C%22%3A129%2C%5C%22candidate_retrieval_source_map%5C%22%3A%7B%5C%2239933800699568931%5C%22%3A3558%2C%5C%2227772822208979400%5C%22%3A3547%2C%5C%2239706720445638299%5C%22%3A3070%2C%5C%2226466087079753064%5C%22%3A3001%2C%5C%2228917776377818919%5C%22%3A3001%2C%5C%2227312442761766258%5C%22%3A3547%7D%2C%5C%22candidate_write_path_source_map%5C%22%3A[]%2C%5C%22candidate_seller_rerank_version_id_map%5C%22%3A%7B%5C%2227312442761766258%5C%22%3A0%7D%2C%5C%22delivery_flow_path%5C%22%3Anull%2C%5C%22grouping_info%5C%22%3Anull%2C%5C%22is_prefetch%5C%22%3Afalse%2C%5C%22request_fetch_reason%5C%22%3Anull%7D%22%7D

Partial VIN is 19N641373. Looks like original transmission, definitely an old 12 bolt which could be original, and they are unsure if the engine is original but has a T0430HA stamp so I think it works with the 05A date on the cowl tag. It's been repainted. Needs restoring but has good bones.

60k or best offer.

Excellent article. Lots of info that I previously was not aware of.

I happened to get an email from him the other day.
1. He said he didn't use that email anymore, but didn't give me another one.
2. "I got rid of all of the paperwork I had"

Interesting.

["I've had both Ed and Bob Johnson at my house in the early 2000s to certify my 68 as one of his 12 or so drag cars campaigned out of Scuncio Chevrolet, and to verify/certify that he took the car in trade at Scuncio from the original owner, and that it is a true Z28.Ed was very active in this area of muscle cars and dealership documents, especially Scuncio cars, and even had his own website dedicated to this. But throughout the years they both had some health issues, and Bob being quite elderly, and dealing with Parkinson's disease, he stopped being active in the documenting game. I did see a Go Fund Me page in 2015 for him to help with medical costs, https://www.gofundme.com/f/tjkj522w, and I'm not totally sure he's still with us today.I have talked to Ed a few times since then, but he as well, if I remember correctly, had a work accident that hampered his ability to continue working at his chosen profession, at the same pace,.... so I'm not sure where he is nowadays as far as still dealing with original dealer documents.I haven't reached out to him in many years, but now he has basically went AWOL from all the forums he was active on aka Yenko.net, CRG, and Team Camaro,...and also his own website, http://z15.invisionfree.com/ (Detroit Horse Power) is no longer accessible."]

Looking to get ahold of Ed James if possible on any old documents from by 69 COPO Camaro from Scuncio Dealership.

Hey Steve, I saw your post on Yenko.net asking the same question. Not sure if you saw my reply so here it is.....

"I've had both Ed and Bob Johnson at my house in the early 2000s to certify my 68 as one of his 12 or so drag cars campaigned out of Scuncio Chevrolet, and to verify/certify that he took the car in trade at Scuncio from the original owner, and that it is a true Z28.

Ed was very active in this area of muscle cars and dealership documents, especially Scuncio cars, and even had his own website dedicated to this. But throughout the years they both had some health issues, and Bob being quite elderly, and dealing with Parkinson's disease, he stopped being active in the documenting game. I did see a Go Fund Me page in 2015 for him to help with medical costs, https://www.gofundme.com/f/tjkj522w, and I'm not totally sure he's still with us today.

I have talked to Ed a few times since then, but he as well, if I remember correctly, had a work accident that hampered his ability to continue working at his chosen profession, at the same pace,.... so I'm not sure where he is nowadays as far as still dealing with original dealer documents.

I haven't reached out to him in many years, but now he has basically went AWOL from all the forums he was active on aka Yenko.net, CRG, and Team Camaro,...and also his own website, http://z15.invisionfree.com/ (Detroit Horse Power) is no longer accessible."

Good luck. He seems to have gone undercover,....way undercover.

Losing storage.

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1738336277354070/?ref=search&referral_code=null&referral_story_type=post

william is Bill Glowacki - one of the CRG Core Members who is an extremely knowledgeable person on 67-69 Camaros, especially 69s.

I see,....thank you.

Not possible. There is always some gap between engine production and vehicle assembly.

Now, I have seen a few cases of engines cast and assembled on the same date. But that's pretty rare.

Well after chatting off line with william - I am going to back down and say I was wrong. POSSIBLE, but extremely rare. He may want to chime in for additional explanation. But the engine would have had to have been on rush order, assembled early in the engine assembly shift and the car assembled late in the vehicle assembly day.

Hmmmm,...that's interesting. Oh and, who's William?

Unfortunately that engine in the link I provided doesn't state what the partial VIN is, but in the one photo of the engine pad, I can see a couple of digits and they are not in what would be my partial VIN if that were the engine that came out of my car.

When you say vehicle production date, are you referring to the NCRS report or are you referring to the date on the Fisher Body tag, (trim tag)?....Joe

Both actually. My cowl tag is 05C, third week of May. My NCRS shows the official GM production date to be 05/20/1968 which is actually the Monday of the 4th week of May, 1968.

I knew what the answer to my question was going to be, but I found this 68 302 on marketplace with the engine pad date stamp that happened to be the exact date the NCRS report said my car was produced. Just a cool coincendence.

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/959344540441270/?ref=search&referral_code=null&referral_story_type=post

I understand usually the engine assembly date and the casting dates should be within 1, 2 maybe 3 weeks before the vehicle production date,...but has anyone ever seen an engine assembly date match the vehicle production date exactly?

Stumbled across this and figured I'd add something. I did a Muscle Car Docs, NCRS report for a friend's 65 Malibu SS Z16 that I'm helping him restore,...and instead of having a dealer name and code, it came back with "0 ZONE 32" and "Chevrolet Zone Office" which was designated as in Cambridge MA.

That makes sense since the car ended up at, and sold out of, Beecroft Chevrolet in Cranston RI