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« on: March 16, 2010, 11:32:35 AM »

I have a 69 Camaro and am not sure of the build date. The cowl tag and VIN read as follows:

ST6912437   NOR184530BDY
TR 713           7272 PNT
11C              X22D80

VIN: 124379N711675


Was the car built in November 68 or November 69 ?

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« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2010, 11:48:59 AM »

You have a November 1969 build car. Production ended at the Norwood plant at about  #711700 for the Camaros.
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« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2010, 12:02:50 PM »

x code would not have been on a nov 68 build
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« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2010, 12:06:16 PM »

Are you certain of the 11C date?
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« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2010, 12:24:30 PM »

Yes, the 11C is very clear on the cowl tag.
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« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2010, 12:34:28 PM »

It's a little out of range according to Jerry's book but it is Nov. 69. He has the VIN's ending with 711600 so it would be 75 over the end run. 
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« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2010, 02:03:58 PM »

I'll  check the VIN again to be sure i am correct.
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« Reply #7 on: March 16, 2010, 02:27:09 PM »

Last 69 Norwood VIN was 711922.
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« Reply #8 on: March 16, 2010, 02:47:30 PM »

On page 199 of Jerry's book he does state 711600 as the end of production at Norwood. But on page 201 of the same book he states production ended at Norwood " around 711700".  I was surprised also on the 11C date but the serial number seems to put it in the last day or so of production.
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« Reply #9 on: March 16, 2010, 08:09:34 PM »

An 11C build date did not exist for November of '69.

I'll bet you can figure out the rest.
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« Reply #10 on: March 17, 2010, 07:11:44 AM »

cowl tag not real !!
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« Reply #11 on: March 17, 2010, 07:16:53 AM »

Unfortunately correct. Whoever had it made used data for an 11C of '68 build. The highest body numbers at the end of '69 production were in the mid-16xxxx range.

Had good taste in color and equipment though!
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« Reply #12 on: March 17, 2010, 07:41:22 AM »

Is it legal to alter the trim tag on a car to influence the value ?
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« Reply #13 on: March 17, 2010, 07:51:33 AM »

Don't know about legality of altering a trim tag, no regs I'm aware of. Fraud however is illegal, and I would expect altering anything to sell it for more than it's actual value would be considered fraud. Just my opinion.
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« Reply #14 on: March 17, 2010, 07:56:42 AM »

Has anyone in this forum experienced this, and if so does anyone no of an attorney that would give advise on something like this ? Unfortunatley the engine was also a restamp!
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« Reply #15 on: March 17, 2010, 08:55:26 AM »

I'd talk with Bryan Shook. He's an attorney out of PA.

Your car had its tag lost over 10 years ago. I believe the car was black originally and in the IL area. No much other info on it.
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« Reply #16 on: March 17, 2010, 09:42:34 AM »

If i am not mistaken the title had been reg. in Illinoise or Indiana previously before it was titled in Florida.
What do you mean by the tag was lost 10 years ago, and can this lawyer be easily found ?
Just wanted to say thanks for all the help!!!!!!!
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« Reply #17 on: March 17, 2010, 09:48:49 AM »

Here's another attorney who specializes in collector car fraud:

Bruce Shaw
(215) 657-2377 (Pennsylvania)
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« Reply #18 on: March 17, 2010, 01:13:38 PM »

THANKS!
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« Reply #19 on: March 17, 2010, 06:48:54 PM »

There have been many threads on this over at Team Camaro.  Some people have recovered their money and others haven't.  I believe Beudelynn or something like that is an atty and is knowledgeable about the topic.  Give some of those parameters a search there.
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« Reply #20 on: March 17, 2010, 07:05:35 PM »

An 11C build date for a 69 would be Nov of 68! If it was for Nov 69 it would be for a 1970 model year.
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« Reply #21 on: March 17, 2010, 07:27:16 PM »

Don't know about legality of altering a trim tag, no regs I'm aware of. Fraud however is illegal, and I would expect altering anything to sell it for more than it's actual value would be considered fraud. Just my opinion.

Except in Oklahoma, I believe. It is illegal there. Seems to me fraud is fraud. Changing the TT is not bad by itself unless it is to represent a car as a BB car or Z/82 etc. If it was to change a 6 cyl yellow to a 6 cyl black would not be an issue.
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« Reply #22 on: March 18, 2010, 06:38:13 AM »

I spoke with someone from trim tag yesterday and he thought the 69 year model was produced through the end of the year (for 18 months) can anyone shed any light on this?
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« Reply #23 on: March 18, 2010, 09:10:21 AM »

69 production ran into Nov 69. http://www.camaros.org/geninfo.shtml#HowMany
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« Reply #24 on: March 18, 2010, 05:11:53 PM »

I stand corrected, I didn't know they were produce at the Norwood plant through Nov of 69. Man they must have had a shit load of back orders!
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« Reply #25 on: March 18, 2010, 05:22:04 PM »

I stand corrected, I didn't know they were produce at the Norwood plant through Nov of 69. Man they must have had a shit load of back orders!

The production was extended due to the building problems with the new second generations.

http://www.camaros.org/geninfo.shtml#When
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« Reply #26 on: March 18, 2010, 06:25:28 PM »

They only built another 20K more 69s than 67's and 8000 more than the 68 model year, so there aren't a bunch more 69s than any other year.  They just built them for 3 more months.  If production had ended in July there would have been less 69s than any other year.
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« Reply #27 on: March 18, 2010, 06:52:01 PM »

Just my luck. Somebody finally give me something that might be worth some money and there's more of them than any other year.  LOL
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« Reply #28 on: March 18, 2010, 11:20:18 PM »

If i am not mistaken the title had been reg. in Illinoise or Indiana previously before it was titled in Florida.
What do you mean by the tag was lost 10 years ago?
Not sure what else to say. The car used to be in IL and the tag was lost back then.....
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