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Venezuela's Camaros....
« on: March 03, 2009, 12:45:17 PM »
Hi everybody,
I own one of the few Venezuela-built '69 Camaro and I'm doing some research to know what it really is. I hope someone can help to decode its vin:

12437JC11####

12437 : Camaro V8 coupè hardtop, no problem.

JC : ????

I'm sure the letters I wrote and I double check the vin on the dash. And this numbers are in all documents (new and old) of the car. I'm sure the Camaro is '69, but serial number starts with 1, not with 5. Maybe Camaro production in Venezula starts in '69?
From the site I see that vin and cowl tag are different for outside US built Camaro but how?
Thanks in advance for any replay!

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Re: Venezuela's Camaros....
« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2009, 02:04:21 PM »
Welcome! Where are you located? Please post some pics if possible. Car, tags, etc.
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Re: Venezuela's Camaros....
« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2009, 02:19:18 PM »
Thank You Tom for your welcome.
The car is near Caracas, in Venezuela.

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« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2009, 04:20:39 AM »
Louis,
J is the year, 9.
C is the plant, Caracas.

I'd be interested to see a trim tag pic. We've only run across three of the Caracas cars so far.

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« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2009, 08:24:26 AM »
Many Thanks for decoding my vin!
Do not say nothing more than I know but...
Also the cowl tag is very funny compared to us built camaros.

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« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2009, 05:18:56 AM »
It is different. They used the standard cowl tag, but stamped the VIN and color info on it and that was all.

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« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2009, 04:08:27 PM »
Louis,

Can we get some photo's???  I have never seen this and would love to!

Thanks, Chris.
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Re: Venezuela's Camaros....
« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2009, 09:44:36 PM »
That would be cool to see a picture of the VIN tag or Trim tag.

How many plants produced Camaros?
NOR=Norwood
LOS=Los Angeles (Van Nuys)
CAR=Caracas?
Any more?

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Re: Venezuela's Camaros....
« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2009, 11:11:35 PM »
Hi folks,
excuse me for my late replay, I was far away from home.
I'm  not so good with pc and other electronic stuff...
I can confirm wath KurtS says: in my cowl tag there is the vin! The very same number that you can see trough the glass on the dash (driver side).
The dash's vin also is different.... From what I see in the pics of Us-built camaros, there is a small metal plate that is riveted on the dash, in venezuela's camaros the vin number are simply stamped/molded in the dash....

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« Reply #9 on: March 09, 2009, 11:13:48 PM »
How many plants produced Camaros?
NOR=Norwood
LOS=Los Angeles (Van Nuys)
CAR=Caracas?
Any more?

http://www.camaros.org/geninfo.shtml#Where

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« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2009, 07:16:40 PM »
Thanks Paul.  There was some great information there.

Does anyone have pictures of any of the VIN plates or Cowl tags from the Camaros built in other countries?  ...besides the Yutivo tag posted on that page?


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Re: Venezuela's Camaros....
« Reply #11 on: March 17, 2009, 03:37:28 PM »
Hey Louis,

Do you have any other original documentation on your car?  It's really too bad you don't have a way to post photos.  If you have any digital photos you could E-mail them to me and I can post them for you.  thunt@racehome.com

Are there many other 69 Camaros in Venezuela?

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Re: Venezuela's Camaros....
« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2009, 12:03:59 AM »
I found this interesting Venezuelan document:


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Re: Venezuela's Camaros....
« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2009, 12:13:53 AM »
and this from a different Camaro in Venezuela:

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Re: Venezuela's Camaros....
« Reply #14 on: April 24, 2009, 01:01:21 AM »
Thanks Paul.  There was some great information there.

Does anyone have pictures of any of the VIN plates or Cowl tags from the Camaros built in other countries?  ...besides the Yutivo tag posted on that page?


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Tony Huntimer
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I have pictures of quite a few Yutivo tags, can be viewed here:

http://www.69pace.com/1967_yutivo_other.htm


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Re: Venezuela's Camaros....
« Reply #15 on: May 03, 2009, 09:30:38 PM »
Hello I just found this web site! Thought I new alot about 69 camaros,but after reading many previous post,its apparent to me that I dont!Anyway I had to comment on this particular post! I travel to the Philippines as often as possible & thought I would have to give up my passion for old muscle cars if I retire there, Maybe I wont! Thanks for all the great info!
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Re: Venezuela's Camaros....
« Reply #16 on: May 27, 2009, 08:59:32 AM »
Hello! I'm new in this forum
I was searching information about Venezuelan camaros, and I found this post.
I'm owner of a Venezuelan Camaro, I bought it in Venezuela last year, but I live in Spain.

I'm trying to decode the TRIM TAG, but it's imposible, I don't know how to decode a lot of numbers!
This is my VIN:

12437JC113124

And this is the TRIM TAG:

            BODY BY FISHER
ST   12437JC113124      BDY
TR   715  926-161107    PNT

I'll try to put some photos

The VIN is easy, J=9 C= Caracas
I decode the interior code: 715= blue standar interior
But... what's this? 926-161107   

Can you help me to decode?


Thanks!

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Re: Venezuela's Camaros....
« Reply #17 on: May 27, 2009, 09:06:04 AM »
This is my trim tag:


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Re: Venezuela's Camaros....
« Reply #18 on: May 27, 2009, 09:25:03 AM »
And this is my Venezuelan Camaro

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« Reply #19 on: May 29, 2009, 01:34:00 AM »
Nice car! And not a common sight in Spain!

You have the highest VIN I have seen on a Caracas Camaro.
Do you know if the drivetrain is original? Do you have any of the stamped codes from the engine, trans, or axle?

926-161107 is a Dupont paint code. I can't ID what color that indicates but does not look like a production 69 formula.

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« Reply #20 on: May 29, 2009, 07:39:57 AM »
Thank you very much for your answer Kurt!!
Yes, it's very difficult to see an american car in Spain. I know about 10 Camaros 1st gen in our roads...

Really? The highest? Guauu!!
I'll check all the codes and I'll post here, so you can get all the information about the car.
I think everything is original

I'm trying to search this dupont code, but don't find anything :( Can you help me?
Watching the old property title of the last venezuelan owner, I saw that the color was GREY, it could be?

Thanks a lot!!

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« Reply #21 on: May 29, 2009, 08:46:48 AM »
The engine is a 350, I have to check if it is the LM1 350ci/255HP  V8 4BC, or the L65 350ci/250HP  V8 2BC.
Where can I see the engine code? Can I check it without removing anything?

The rear axle, I think it is the original. I have the codes:
The axle stamp is: BN 0605G2
BN=ratio 3.55, size, 12 bolts, type=N (non positraction)
The axle casting date is E239
E=may
23=day 23
9=1969

I'll try to get the engine number and the trans code

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« Reply #22 on: May 30, 2009, 02:35:01 AM »
The engine code is stamped on the pad under the alternator. It will be a L65, too late for a LM1.
http://www.camaros.org/drivetrain.shtml#PadStamps

12 bolt - wouldn't have expected that.

Disc brakes?

Thanks!

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« Reply #23 on: May 30, 2009, 08:14:26 AM »
Hi Kurt! Yes, front disc brakes, with power brakes. Power steering, AC, power windows...


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Re: Venezuela's Camaros....
« Reply #24 on: May 30, 2009, 08:49:42 AM »
I have bad news :(
My engine isn't the original :(
I checked the engine code and I get this:

GM 3970010 (a 350 block)
V1221TBM
C97141328

The suffix TBM in not a 69 valid suffix!! I think it is a '79 engine, could be? :(

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Re: Venezuela's Camaros....
« Reply #25 on: May 30, 2009, 01:07:40 PM »
LOOKS LIKE YOUR ENGINE CAME FROM 1979 CONV. VAN

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« Reply #26 on: June 01, 2009, 03:51:24 PM »
Conv. van? What model is it?
Thanks!

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« Reply #28 on: June 02, 2009, 01:12:00 AM »
Conv. van? What model is it?
Thanks!

That's a full-size Chevy Van, built at the Lordstown, Ohio van plant.
'69 Z/28
Fathom Green
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Re: Venezuela's Camaros....
« Reply #29 on: June 03, 2009, 02:11:46 AM »
Hi Kurt! Yes, front disc brakes, with power brakes. Power steering, AC, power windows...

Wow, that's pretty loaded. More loaded than I would have expected.

Console and gauges?
1 or 2 fuel lines?
Any #'s off of the transmission?
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« Reply #30 on: June 05, 2009, 07:35:00 AM »
Thank you very much JohnZ

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« Reply #31 on: June 05, 2009, 08:43:07 AM »
KurtS,
my camaro has console, but no gauges.
I'm not sure about fuel lines, I'll check
And I will check the transmission too, I think it is a TH350

In the photo, you can see the camaro the day I bought it. It has a HORRIBLE interior!

- Console
- Center clock
- AC controls
- Windows controls

And non original:
- door panels
- uphostery
- steering wheel
- look at the anti-thief system!!! in the floor...

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« Reply #32 on: June 06, 2009, 08:46:58 PM »
I also see Z23 interior trim. 
Interest homemade door panels. If you need them, sometimes you have to make them!

kph or mph speedometer?

Thanks!

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« Reply #33 on: June 07, 2009, 12:03:22 PM »
Hi Kurt, kmh speedometer.
No RMP-meter

In Venezuela is very difficult to buy something outside the country. So they have to make them. Look at the upholstery too

Regards!!