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rocco376

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1969 Z28 on BaT TRIM TAG MESS
« on: October 06, 2022, 04:54:21 PM »
Not sure I am seeing this right, but it appears that this trim tag is bolted on with hex head bolts!?

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1969-chevrolet-camaro-z-28-121/#comments-anchor


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Re: 1969 Z28 on BaT TRIM TAG MESS
« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2022, 05:08:13 PM »
Its also a Dec of 68 vin with the tag being a 09C of 69..  Block is not original either..  Hidden vins would confirm but dash vin looks original.


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Re: 1969 Z28 on BaT TRIM TAG MESS
« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2022, 05:11:18 PM »
Is it considered helpful or harmful to add such information to the auction's open comment section?

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Re: 1969 Z28 on BaT TRIM TAG MESS
« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2022, 05:26:33 PM »
I guess it depends on which side you're playing for.

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Re: 1969 Z28 on BaT TRIM TAG MESS
« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2022, 05:37:41 PM »
I posted the bad news. Better to find out now than after someone buys it thinking it is real.

Needs to be sold as a clone.
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Re: 1969 Z28 on BaT TRIM TAG MESS
« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2022, 01:58:18 AM »
What does this even mean?

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Was told when I bought the car it was the original motor but not the original block. Engine block casting number attached 3932386. See photo gallery pictures 146 & 147 for engine block heads # V1120DZ and 19N548291.

motor doesn't match. Trim tag doesn't match. Not sure those are even original stamps.

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Re: 1969 Z28 on BaT TRIM TAG MESS
« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2022, 02:42:16 AM »
Trim tag is for an X77 but car has Z21 Style Trim group which would make it an X33 I believe

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Re: 1969 Z28 on BaT TRIM TAG MESS
« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2022, 12:48:17 PM »
original motor but not block got me.  I agree what is he saying!!   
Someone commented about the original color.  Well for that body we will never know.  What a mess and seller playing dumb or clueless
Who doesnt notice metal barn siding screws holding the tag on.  Geez
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Re: 1969 Z28 on BaT TRIM TAG MESS
« Reply #8 on: October 07, 2022, 03:06:37 PM »
It's a train wreck

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Re: 1969 Z28 on BaT TRIM TAG MESS
« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2022, 12:37:20 AM »
When is an original motor an original motor? When the block isn’t. WTFO?

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Re: 1969 Z28 on BaT TRIM TAG MESS
« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2022, 05:23:32 PM »
That's easy-the 'born with' engine the car was built with. It will have the cars' con VIN stamped on it.

CE coded warranty blocks, 'date-code correct' engines, whatever, are not original to the car.
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Re: 1969 Z28 on BaT TRIM TAG MESS
« Reply #11 on: October 13, 2022, 03:34:58 PM »
Not sure if BAT works like eBay where all the bids come in at the last 5 minutes, but with 3.5 hours left, the bidding sits at $41K.  Even if it's a Frankenstein Z/28 clone/tribute, that seems like a very good price for a nice driver 69.  Seems like it's worth every bit of that $41K bid and probably a fair bit more.

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Re: 1969 Z28 on BaT TRIM TAG MESS
« Reply #12 on: October 13, 2022, 04:12:25 PM »
Not sure if BAT works like eBay where all the bids come in at the last 5 minutes, but with 3.5 hours left, the bidding sits at $41K.  Even if it's a Frankenstein Z/28 clone/tribute, that seems like a very good price for a nice driver 69.  Seems like it's worth every bit of that $41K bid and probably a fair bit more.

Yes, bidders hold off until the end and every very bid extends the time.

Despite comments by the jimmy p's of BAT, I think it's a good thing the discrepancies were pointed out and the car will sell for its real market value. Great car for someone who doesn't care much about true numbers as the seller states he never cared.


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Re: 1969 Z28 on BaT TRIM TAG MESS
« Reply #13 on: October 13, 2022, 05:39:43 PM »
My earlier question is sort of based on Jimmy_P's reply  (at BAT, not here) stating how "the numbers mafia derailed the sellers auction."  The use of the words mafia and derailed implies to me that Jimmy_P assigns ill-intent and pedantry-driven sabotage to the various commenters casting shade on the seller's claims of a real Z/28.  So, my earlier question above in this thread is sort of based on that inevitable outcome.

I like the other response better than Jimmy_P's, though, that reads:  Doesn’t “real” just mean an assembly line worker added the parts, instead of someone else down the road?

Um, yeah, I suppose you could dumb down real like that.  A "real" Topps Mickey Mantle rookie card just means that an assembly line worker stamped out that card in 1951 instead of someone else doing that down the road at some point ... and one of those things is worth about $0.05 and the other recently sold for $12.6MM.

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Re: 1969 Z28 on BaT TRIM TAG MESS
« Reply #14 on: October 13, 2022, 07:06:14 PM »
Auction ended $50,000. Seller should be thrilled for what it is!
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