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vabeach56wagon

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Wiring Console Gauges' 69
« on: November 27, 2019, 04:19:12 PM »
Can anyone give this idiot either pictures or explicit directions for the wiring connections on console gauges on my '69....

I have the AIM, the Jim Osborn '67-'69 wiring diagram manual (which is nothing more than the AIM).

But I am definitely confused as to the resistors, insulators, low fuel warning system....I was truly stupid and took no photos as I disassembled the cluster to install two new gauges and restore the cluster.

paul

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Re: Wiring Console Gauges' 69
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2019, 08:54:57 PM »
Maybe this will help.

Happy Thanksgiving!

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Re: Wiring Console Gauges' 69
« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2019, 09:04:11 PM »
A few pics of my gauges....
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Re: Wiring Console Gauges' 69
« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2019, 09:04:48 PM »
.....and two more
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Re: Wiring Console Gauges' 69
« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2019, 03:26:34 AM »
Thank you for the photos. They are extremely helpful, especially the originals.

 I seem to have original gauges but have ordered a replacement ammeter and water temp gauge. I don't know whether my new temp gauge is internal resistor-equipped or not. Other than calling the vendor is there a test I can run on it to know?

Happy Thanksgiving! (I'll be in the garage immediately after my post Thanksgiving Dinner nap....)

paul


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Re: Wiring Console Gauges' 69
« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2019, 03:28:42 PM »
Rich:

Here's what I've got...following your photos plus searching the forum and gathering every piece of literature I could find...







I think it's right. I hope it's right. I am concerned about the resistor on the water temp gauge....I think that may not be correct.

paul
« Last Edit: November 28, 2019, 04:38:32 PM by vabeach56wagon »

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Re: Wiring Console Gauges' 69
« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2019, 06:25:58 PM »
Few pics of my original (and I think untouched) gauges with low fuel module. If you need any better detail, let me know and I can send you more via email.

Hope this helps -

Regards,
Steve
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Re: Wiring Console Gauges' 69
« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2019, 06:27:32 PM »
Last one -

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Re: Wiring Console Gauges' 69
« Reply #8 on: November 30, 2019, 10:06:11 PM »
Here's an original.
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Re: Wiring Console Gauges' 69
« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2019, 01:27:25 AM »
Rich:

Here's what I've got...following your photos plus searching the forum and gathering every piece of literature I could find...







I think it's right. I hope it's right. I am concerned about the resistor on the water temp gauge....I think that may not be correct.

paul

I believe the main ground wire, as pictured, is in the wrong spot - it may not make a difference, but refer to Kurt's and my pictures - the match, as the rest of the harness seems to do.

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Steve
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Re: Wiring Console Gauges' 69
« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2019, 01:53:43 AM »
Think that is the 1969 harness grounding strategy you have there-using the screw between the ammeter and temperature gauge. The 1968 harness ground went to the lower stud of the fuel level gauge. (Or lower stud of the temp gauge)
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Re: Wiring Console Gauges' 69
« Reply #11 on: December 02, 2019, 08:00:09 PM »
I used that ground wire as the bridge wire between the backing plate and ground stud of the fuel gauge. There is another ground wire from the assembly to the body at the trans tunnel. I am using  the front shifter boot retaining ring screw for that ground.

I put the assembled units in the car without mounting the console top. Everything seems to work properly although the tank sender may be off a little. At 7 gallons it's showing 1/4 tank....and it goes from full to slightly less than 1/2 really fast...the water temp gauge is at 1/4 scale at 160* (thermostat is a Stewart 160*). Our weather has been cool this past weekend and the car, with all the new cooling system components, didn't budge over 160* even after idling for almost 30 minutes. I used my laser thermometer to verify that temp.

I'll drive this thing around for a few miles and make sure all the circuits are working as intended before the console goes back together...I figure with it out I can get some stuff under the dash handled....another "as long as I'm here" opportunity.

Thank you immensely for your help and feedback. I hope I can reciprocate as I learn more and more about Camaros. I did a build out of a '69 in 1982 with my then 15 year old son. That was a combination parts car, junk yard and previous builds' leftover-parts rebuild with the heavy labor in engine and trans swap and body prep for a MAACO paint job. That was the last time I raised a wrench to one of these cars until this one.



We've done NCRS Corvettes and many Tri-Fives, the last one being a '56 9 passenger wagon resto-mod - hence the username. That car went through 5 different engines in 10 years as we played with its look - from street cruiser to street racer to an NHRA-legal Modified Production configuration and back to street cruiser.

STREET: 383 cu in hydraulic roller TH350 3.55 Moser 9", TH350




NHRA F/MODIFIED PRODUCTION CONFIGURATION: 327 cu in - 10.5-1, 30-30 flat tappet, '72 Tunnel Ram- 450cfm Holleys, 4.10, TH350





Our goal is to finish this legit Z to achieve as high a level of restoration as possible under AACA judging standards, which are fundamentally cosmetic: not code, stamping or casting specific as are the judging matrices of NCRS and ACA. If we are off in dates from one exhaust manifold to another  but are functionally and appearance correct, we'll be happy.

Thanks again.

paul