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« Reply #30 on: March 13, 2007, 12:07:13 AM »

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That also means there's no easy way to distinguish between a CE short block and a CE engine assembly. Heads and other components would be dated for the block, if those components are still on the block.

Not sure if it matters much, but the odd "CEN" stamped engine above had 492 angle plug heads on it, dated E 23 3.  Also had roller rocker arms (not roller cam), so who knows when the heads were installed, whether it be at the "possible" exchange time or later on down the road.  I have no idea if it would have been possible for them to use the later heads on one.

Everything inside was correct.  010 4bolt block, 302 crank, forged rods, pop-up pistons.  The timing cover, HB, intake, pulleys, alt, dist are #'d and/or dated correct for the car.  Aside from the peculiar stamp, all signs point to it being a CE.
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« Reply #31 on: May 20, 2007, 11:00:41 PM »

Pat (ccargo) & Kurt -

I don't know if this helps with your research, but there is a CE warranty engine ('69 302) listed on Ebay now.

Engine pad is stamped: CE9A321
Starter flange is stamped: 01 9 V
Block casting number: 3956618
Block casting date: A 20 9

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-Camaro-DZ-Warranty-CE-engine-Jan-28-1969_W0QQitemZ200111818120QQihZ010QQcategoryZ140682QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

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« Reply #32 on: May 21, 2007, 10:45:31 AM »

Any ideas as to why the 33 on the end of the pad stamping is so out of place on the E-Bay CE block referred to by Paul?
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« Reply #33 on: May 21, 2007, 10:49:43 AM »

Mine's like that too on my CE engine, only it's a 22.
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« Reply #34 on: May 21, 2007, 03:53:27 PM »

Probably because they only incremented the main gang stamp every 100 parts. The last 2 digits were then added by hand.
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« Reply #35 on: May 24, 2007, 11:51:53 AM »

Pat (ccargo) & Kurt -

I don't know if this helps with your research, but there is a CE warranty engine ('69 302) listed on Ebay now.

Engine pad is stamped: CE9A321
Starter flange is stamped: 01 9 V
Block casting number: 3956618
Block casting date: A 20 9

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-Camaro-DZ-Warranty-CE-engine-Jan-28-1969_W0QQitemZ200111818120QQihZ010QQcategoryZ140682QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

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The above engine was sold on 5-23-07.   Smiley

Sale price: $2950.00
Engine pad is stamped: CE9A32133  (revised)
Seller id: tyrfryrtom
Seller location: Lexington, SC
Buyer id:  Huh  (kept private)

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« Reply #36 on: August 24, 2011, 12:48:38 AM »

thanks to Fran and all for sharing the info... it is still a good read.

I have a CE 87xxxx block at the shop now.  It has T078 by the starter flange bottom part of the block.   From what I have been seeing on the CE blocks it appears that the first number, the year the engine was replaced or assembled in this case, as stated, is 8 for 1968 and I suspect the next number was a month code.  I have no proof of this other than looking at a hundred or more CE blocks. I also think the stamp numbers on the starter flange would be T = Tonawanda plant, 07= July and 8 = 1968 matching the pad CE stamp.  There are also inspector stamps on the block too. 

If I understand this correctly, the year number, CE87xxxx in this case, does not represent the cars model year but rather the manufacturing year aka production year when the CE block/engine was replaced and or assembled.  In ccargo's example CE950332 on a 440 block dated G98 casting date Aug.09, 1968 for 1969 production got stamp T0808, again assembled Aug 1968 at Tonawanda and I agree was likely for a 67 or 68 car. but I think was replaced in May 1989. Also with Kurt's examples:

CE9B46015, CE9 = 1969, B= Feb and
CE0A965 0 9, CE0 = 1970 A = Jan
CEN72 502 = CE72 = either 1977, Feb or 1972 without a month,... Could the N be a engine code or for Norwood Camaro???

I might be completely wrong here but I hope my 2 cents of research helps.  I also suspect that the block casting number would be the block number you had until they ran out and then would be upgraded to the next better block but this is shear speculation.  Can anyone confirm any of this?   Thanks everyone, GI Joe
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« Reply #37 on: August 26, 2011, 11:18:29 PM »

The A and B are either because they run thru the #'s and started a new series or it indicates the type of block (fitted, short block, etc).

Remember they were just building spare parts. They didn't care what car it went in, when it got used, or what block it replaced.

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« Reply #38 on: August 27, 2011, 12:22:55 AM »

Thanks Kurt...


I just found a BB CE06870  3   with a starter flan stamp of T099 ...it appears GM waited to issue/assemble the block in June of 70,   i.e. if my speculation is correct...
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« Reply #39 on: August 27, 2011, 11:55:23 AM »

Those stamps would occur within minutes of each other on the assembly line, so it would appear that's now how to decode it.

This is a hard topic to research cause the only real known is the casting date. Application and assembly date are unknowns.
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