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william

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Caveat Emptor...another repro window sticker
« on: June 26, 2017, 04:52:32 PM »
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Chevrolet-Camaro-SS-/322567773387?hash=item4b1a899ccb:g:3t8AAOSw~XpZT4Lh&vxp=mtr

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Another repro window sticker presented as real. Looks convincing but has several clumsy errors.

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Re: Caveat Emptor...another repro window sticker
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2017, 05:06:00 PM »
Clumsy errors dually noted. Why would someone order such a highly optioned car and put a 3 speed behind a bb? I 'm not buying it.
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Re: Caveat Emptor...another repro window sticker
« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2017, 06:19:51 PM »
Is there anything else known about this car? Meaning, is there any indicators as to whether it is a real BB with it's original Muncie 3 speed, regardless of the fake doc? I don't see the disc brake emblem on the pedal.

Why would someone order such a highly optioned car and put a 3 speed behind a bb? I 'm not buying it.
Doesn't make much sense today but it probably happened once or twice. And, do you mean "leave the 3 speed behind it"? Because it came that way unless you upgraded. :)
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Re: Caveat Emptor...another repro window sticker
« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2017, 07:43:27 PM »
The repro w/s means the entire car could be fake.

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Re: Caveat Emptor...another repro window sticker
« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2017, 08:20:26 PM »
The shifter threw me initially, but I guess 3 speeds had a Muncie shifter in 69. I was thinking Hurst.
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Re: Caveat Emptor...another repro window sticker
« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2017, 02:00:02 AM »
Is there anything else known about this car? Meaning, is there any indicators as to whether it is a real BB with it's original Muncie 3 speed, regardless of the fake doc? I don't see the disc brake emblem on the pedal.

Why would someone order such a highly optioned car and put a 3 speed behind a bb? I 'm not buying it.
Doesn't make much sense today but it probably happened once or twice. And, do you mean "leave the 3 speed behind it"? Because it came that way unless you upgraded. :)
To clarify: If a car was a plain jane, no frills type car, I could see it having a 3 speed. And even a BB SS car, if that were the only options it had or it had a very short option list. That is the way I have seen them, both Chevelle and Camaro. But I have never heard or seen a car that had several luxury, decked out type options and, yet, left a 3 speed. I realize it is possible, but I cannot fathom a car ordered that way back then? If you had the money for a rear defrost, rosewood, deluxe interior, remote mirror and on and on, you had 4 speed money, IMO.  Brake pedal is dead giveaway. Even if it was the real deal, I would pass just on that brake pedal. If they can't get that right, then what else is wrong?
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Re: Caveat Emptor...another repro window sticker
« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2017, 12:24:24 PM »
Having grown up back in the day, there was another good reason to get a 3-speed in a HP car-insurance. I recall the question-"Does the car have a 4-speed transmission" on the application. For a younger driver, a 4-speed in a HP car meant at least a surcharge. Some companies wouldn't take you.

Insurance killed muscle cars starting around 1970. They became difficult to sell, dealers wouldn't trade them in. A bud paid $2000 for a completely original Yenko Camaro in 1972. Took about 3 months to tire of the insurance and 5 mpg; had a very hard time getting rid of it.

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Re: Caveat Emptor...another repro window sticker
« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2017, 02:50:34 PM »
I sent the seller a message about the window sticker. A 3 speed behind an L34 is very unlikely, but possible.

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Re: Caveat Emptor...another repro window sticker
« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2017, 06:41:28 PM »
 Wasn't there a 3-speed HD T-16 option available with 396? It was in 67.

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Re: Caveat Emptor...another repro window sticker
« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2017, 07:03:19 PM »
I believe the HD 3-speed GM used 67-68 was made by Ford.

For '69 Muncie supplied the HD 3-speed, standard equipment on Camaro SS. It was only optional with the LM1 350, dropped when the LM1 was discontinued December '68. It was supplied with a Muncie shifter. The standard 3-speed was a Saginaw, column shift unless D55 or M11 was ordered.

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Re: Caveat Emptor...another repro window sticker
« Reply #10 on: June 28, 2017, 01:13:27 AM »
I believe the HD 3-speed GM used 67-68 was made by Ford.

I thought it was a Borg Warner T16. Here is one at an awesome price.  :o

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Borg-Warner-T-16-Special-3-speed-transmission-goes-with-L48-L78-L89-M13-option-/172666641927?hash=item2833bbde07:g:V3cAAOSwAANY6Qnt&vxp=mtr

The 3 speed in my SS is still the thing that throws everyone when they realize its there. 99% of the time I have to tell someone its NOT a 4 speed.



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Re: Caveat Emptor...another repro window sticker
« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2017, 04:22:02 AM »
In 1967 for the 396 325 HP motor there were 63 HD 3-spds produced.

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Re: Caveat Emptor...another repro window sticker
« Reply #12 on: June 30, 2017, 12:43:08 PM »
Can anyone tell if it has a Muncie speedo piercing?
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