Argent siverl for grill

[lynnbilodeau]

I know this has been asked before, but is the grill color argent silver the same as Cortez Silver?

I am not interested in the wheels.  I know they were enamel, and although called the same color, never seem to be a dead on match to the lacquer on the grill.

I painted my car a few years ago, and everything came out well EXCEPT the grill.   it is too dark.   I bought a quart of what was supposed to be PPG acrylic lacquer that I was assured was the same color as argent silver for 69 Camaro grill.    First, I have a really hard time believing it is PPG.   I have used PPG many times and always got good coverage.   This stuff took 6 coats or more to cover.   It was way too translucent.   Secondly, as noted above, it is way too dark.

I know PPG still makes lacquer.   I cannot buy it in OK (distributor's choice.... as no law precludes it), but it is available on line.   The quart I got a few years ago, was in a relabeled can, not a PPG can.  Says code 8568.

So, anyone know if they are the same?   If not, anyone have the PPG number for Argent Silver?

Thanks in advance.

Lynn

[BULLITT65]

I touched up my wheels with the argent silver wheel paint from the spray can, and had a few spots to touch up on the grill. It seemed to match the original color so i sprayed a little in a inconspicuous spot, it matched perfect. My Grill was the original, and to the best of my knowledge had never been painted since it left the factory.

Hope this doesn't confuse things

[ZLP955]

Lynn, according to the Ditzler/PPG chart, Argent Silver is code DQE-8568, which was a DITZCO enamel.
This comes from the following chart, left hand side underneath the color chip for Azure Turquoise:

[firstgenaddict]

NO it is not the same color.

[Bryan302]

I definitely agree with James that the Argent Silver for grills is not the same as Argent Silver for rally's.  I just bought a small quantity of DQE-8568 yesterday to do several YH rally's and specifically asked for the oldest code they could come up with, to try and get the greenish hue/tint noticed on many original wheels.  The mixture was taken from a 1971 chart and is W35E3024 Argent Silver Metallic, Chevrolet and mixture #'s are 5A-5703-00-B 3094780-B.  I have not sprayed this yet, but did open the can to inspect for the green tint/hue, which it definitely has.

Now for the question...  What the heck is the paint code for Argent Silver grills?  There has to be a separate code, especially if original grills were in lacquer.  If most would agree that original rally's had this greenish tint, I have never noticed the greenish hue in a silver grill.

Thanks,
Bryan

[BULLITT65]

Good eye I suppose,  I would have never have been able to get a green out of that. I looked at my original spare and it does seem like more of a matted silver , but I have hard time seeing green. It is reaching but maybe a very very light olive tone?

[ZLP955]

I definitely agree with James that the Argent Silver for grills is not the same as Argent Silver for rally's.

I read James' comment to mean that Argent for grilles is not the same as Cortez Silver, in response to the OP's question. You appear to have taken it to mean that the Ditzler code for AS on the above chart is for rally wheels, and plastic body parts (grilles, headlight surrounds etc) used another AS formula.
I would think that the formula for Argent Silver would be the same regardless, and that any difference in appearance could be down to the substrate (plastic, steel), the underlying primer, application method/coverage, and the paint type (enamel, lacquer, etc).

[69Z28-RS]

I can't speak for grill color, but as for the argent silver on GM Rallye wheels... the original ones from the '60's and '70's definitely had a very slight green tint...  (but not all 'argent silver' that you buy today has the green tint)..

I looked up the word 'argent' just to see if that sheds any light on the subject... ..  it turns out that 'argent' actually is another word for 'silver' color.  Probably explains why all the manufacturers use the 'argent' word in their descriptions for their rallye wheels, even though all the manufacturers have variations of silver that they used.

[BULLITT65]

Well James seems to have some time invested in this, hopefully he can enlighten us on this one....

[firstgenaddict]

Argent is much more silver than cortez,
Yes some of the early ralley's were more "green", however I do not know that this is across the boards.
I have never seen a grille or trim appear "green". 

I've got the mixture on the labels.
I believe someone on NCRS has a green formulation,

FWIW if in a pint you put 10 drops of a mixing green or if the formulation has blue in it, if you were to add 10 drops of yellow the mixture may not appear to have changed to the eye, and it may not appear green however it would impart a slight cast into the color. 

[lynnbilodeau]

So, James, do you have a lacquer paint code for the silver grill color?

[m22mike]

Lynn
 PPG 8568

Mike