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« Reply #30 on: October 30, 2013, 09:15:48 AM »

John Z's article is always a go-to source for info.  If not the entire article, read Paint Shop Operations, to include how wheels were shipped in rail cars.
http://www.camaros.org/assemblyprocess.shtml

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« Reply #31 on: October 30, 2013, 10:38:58 AM »

John Z's article is always a go-to source for info.  If not the entire article, read Paint Shop Operations, to include how wheels were shipped in rail cars.
http://www.camaros.org/assemblyprocess.shtml



I have read the assembly process before.  My comment was for rally wheels..  I guess I didnt make that clear..
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« Reply #32 on: October 30, 2013, 03:48:01 PM »

Maybe I read too much into his article, but I always assumed that included rally wheels.  If they shipped them efficiently crammed into rail cars and also final-painted, they would likely be scratched up by time they got onto a car.   
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« Reply #33 on: October 30, 2013, 04:29:52 PM »

Maybe I read too much into his article, but I always assumed that included rally wheels.  If they shipped them efficiently crammed into rail cars and also final-painted, they would likely be scratched up by time they got onto a car.   

You are probably correct just wanted to make sure on the rallys since they would have been a lower in production..
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« Reply #34 on: October 30, 2013, 09:02:54 PM »

We know that Kelsey made the rallye wheels for GM, but did they also make the 'std' steel wheels?  If not, what other suppliers did GM use?
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« Reply #35 on: October 31, 2013, 10:07:14 AM »

I found the older thread where JohnZ previously discussed this.  At the bottom:

http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=7456.0
 
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« Reply #36 on: October 31, 2013, 10:34:57 AM »

We know that Kelsey made the rallye wheels for GM, but did they also make the 'std' steel wheels?  If not, what other suppliers did GM use?

Kelsey-Hayes was the exclusive supplier of steel passenger car and Corvette wheels to Chevrolet.
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« Reply #37 on: October 31, 2013, 01:53:23 PM »

Thanks John!   I also went to the link posted by Pete, referencing a prior posting you made where you said:
"Production-line wheels were received raw and oiled, dip-primed black, then the outer face was sprayed the required color with wheel enamel. "     

If I understand that correctly, K-H delivered the wheels to each assembly plant unpainted, raw and oiled?  and THEN the assembly plant (Norwood or VN or ?) cleaned, dip primed black, and then sprayed the outer surface with the argent enamel?   Did this happen on the Fisher side? or the Norwood assembly side?   I'm surprised I missed this fact before, and it seems a bit odd to me that they didn't have the wheel supplier provide it 'ready to mount'...??  Or was that same process used for all other major body panels provided by suppliers?    supplied raw and oiled, so every metal part when thru the same cleaning/priming, painting step in the assembly plants?
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« Reply #38 on: October 31, 2013, 02:39:32 PM »

I too have learned something..
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« Reply #39 on: November 01, 2013, 12:32:20 AM »

My Orig spare 1967dated Model 1968 14 x 6 Coded "XG" rally wheel is Gray on the back side.

I even think the Book By Colvin has a wheel section and some manufacturing drawings that include painting instructions.

So is it fair to say Black primed wheel base color is NOT,,,,,, a all // every time. You guys might be just talking about 69's,,,,,,,??

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« Reply #40 on: November 01, 2013, 07:19:24 AM »

Jim,

I think the same thing is true for all the Rallye wheels of the late '60's at least.    Gray paint was applied by Kelsey for 'service wheels', destined to be sold thru the dealerships, rather than production line parts.
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« Reply #41 on: November 01, 2013, 09:42:26 AM »

Thanks John!   I also went to the link posted by Pete, referencing a prior posting you made where you said:
"Production-line wheels were received raw and oiled, dip-primed black, then the outer face was sprayed the required color with wheel enamel. "     

If I understand that correctly, K-H delivered the wheels to each assembly plant unpainted, raw and oiled?  and THEN the assembly plant (Norwood or VN or ?) cleaned, dip primed black, and then sprayed the outer surface with the argent enamel?   Did this happen on the Fisher side? or the Norwood assembly side?   I'm surprised I missed this fact before, and it seems a bit odd to me that they didn't have the wheel supplier provide it 'ready to mount'...??  Or was that same process used for all other major body panels provided by suppliers?    supplied raw and oiled, so every metal part when thru the same cleaning/priming, painting step in the assembly plants?

Wheels were received raw, and processed in the Chevrolet side of the plant as I noted in the paper. The same was true of all the Chevrolet-supplied front sheet metal stampings, and all of the body shell stampings were also received raw on the Fisher side of the plant.

Wheels were stacked herringbone-style by the thousands in rail cars, and if they had been painted by Kelsey-Hayes, they'd have been all scratched up by the time the rail car was unloaded.
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« Reply #42 on: November 01, 2013, 09:58:24 AM »

Thanks for confirming John!   
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« Reply #43 on: November 01, 2013, 12:14:49 PM »

When you guys mention scuffing the powder coating on rally wheels before painting them the correct GM argent silver what exactly do you mean?  I am guessing it is because the silver paint won't adhere properly to the smooth powder coating?  How much scuffing is just right and how much is too much?  Would you use a fine grit sandpaper to do it?  Thank you. 
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« Reply #44 on: November 01, 2013, 12:22:17 PM »

Does anybody have a ball park fiqure on the cost of blasting and powerder coating a set of rim's?
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