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« on: February 23, 2013, 01:39:08 AM »

Here's an article about Smokey Yunick's trip to Bonneville with three Camaros in late '67
where he smashed 266 speed records with his 302 and 396 powered cars. (Jon Mello Collection)











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« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2013, 10:40:01 PM »

Optional 36 gallon tanks?
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« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2013, 01:31:20 AM »

It was actually two stock 18-gallon Camaro tanks, one in the stock location and the other upside down in the trunk connected by a hose. They cancelled this option before the '67 Z-28 entered production by Ron Ogilvie of Bill Thomas Race Cars remembers doing these set-ups at the BTRC shop before the cancellation. My gold #1 car ran this double gas tank set-up but the team configured it on their own.
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« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2013, 08:30:50 AM »

Not sure how I missed this when you first posted it  Jon. These can't be quotes from Smokey, there aren't any bleeps! He was probably my all time favorite racer/bui;der. I enjoy reading anything written by or about him. Thanks, Jon.
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« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2013, 10:07:09 AM »

jon, thanks for finding that article and posting it so quickly.

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« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2013, 10:40:02 PM »

It was actually two stock 18-gallon Camaro tanks, one in the stock location and the other upside down in the trunk connected by a hose. They cancelled this option before the '67 Z-28 entered production by Ron Ogilvie of Bill Thomas Race Cars remembers doing these set-ups at the BTRC shop before the cancellation. My gold #1 car ran this double gas tank set-up but the team configured it on their own.


Wow...that's very interesting! I haven't checked the rule book, but I suppose there were SCCA rules specifying fuel tank capacities regardless if they were factory options? The comparison would be to the big tank Corvette option.
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« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2013, 12:04:27 AM »

Beginning in April '68 (after the Daytona & Sebring endurance races), a 22-gallon fuel cell became mandatory in Trans-Am cars. Prior to that there was not the same sort of regulation on fuel tank size. Craig Fisher's Camaro ran a 40-gallon tank at Daytona in '67.
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« Reply #7 on: February 26, 2013, 10:50:42 PM »

Thanks for the explanation Jon. I am very surprised that the rules were that loose.
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« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2013, 12:52:38 AM »

I guess you could say the rules were "evolving" in those early years Fred. At the Green Valley Trans-Am in April '67, the tech inspectors felt that the fuel tank capacity was too large in Fisher's car so they told him he had to reduce it. What the team did to reduce the capacity was put plastic balls in the tank. The plastic melted during the race and gummed up the whole system so he ended up not finishing.
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« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2013, 07:35:30 AM »

that is a great article - thanks for posting

It is interesting that not much is said about Chevy's role in the building of the cars or sponsoring the record runs but it sure sounds like one of the underground Chevy racing team projects that Smokey did.
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« Reply #10 on: February 27, 2013, 10:20:38 AM »

I agree with you Joe....   I never had the impression that Smokey was 'rolling in money'...   and certainly the trip to Bonneville cost someone a LOT of $$... and Chevrolet has also fed money and parts to 'favored son' shops..   Smiley    (makes one envious thinking about some of that) *G*
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« Reply #11 on: February 27, 2013, 11:05:27 PM »

I guess you could say the rules were "evolving" in those early years Fred. At the Green Valley Trans-Am in April '67, the tech inspectors felt that the fuel tank capacity was too large in Fisher's car so they told him he had to reduce it. What the team did to reduce the capacity was put plastic balls in the tank. The plastic melted during the race and gummed up the whole system so he ended up not finishing.

Great story! You have to admire the determination to make the race.
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« Reply #12 on: March 06, 2013, 12:54:55 AM »

January '68 Hot Rod magazine article on Smokey Yunick. (Jon Mello Collection)





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« Reply #13 on: March 06, 2013, 06:43:23 AM »

He certainly never pulled any punches. Thanks Jon.
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« Reply #14 on: March 08, 2013, 12:52:25 AM »

You're welcome. Here's another Smokey Camaro photo. It is not the same car that appears in on page 105
of the Bonneville speed records article based on that car RS backup lights and rear license plate opening.


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« Reply #15 on: March 08, 2013, 06:37:12 AM »

Never noticed the differance. Which car does Vic Edlebrock have?
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« Reply #16 on: March 08, 2013, 07:06:42 PM »

David Tom of the Historic Trans-Am Registry found the car and wound up selling it to Vic. I never saw any details of what they found, so I am not the right person to ask. Has anybody out there seen any pics of Vic's car in as-found condition?
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« Reply #17 on: March 09, 2013, 01:01:52 AM »

Here's another picture of Smokey's car at Riverside in September '67. The molded-in
rear spoiler was one of many things the SCCA tech inspectors didn't take kindly to.


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« Reply #18 on: March 09, 2013, 02:56:21 AM »

I think this may be my all time favorite Camaro. Thanks for posting the great articles. My next car should be this one. However in the above picture it looks like a rally sport, but Smokeys cars looked like non RS cars to me. How many cars did he run? This would be the only RS I have seen.
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« Reply #19 on: March 09, 2013, 04:29:23 AM »

Great articles, thanks Jon!
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« Reply #20 on: March 09, 2013, 08:16:17 AM »

You're welcome. Here's another Smokey Camaro photo. It is not the same car that appears in on page 105
of the Bonneville speed records article based on that car RS backup lights and rear license plate opening.


Hot Rod magazine photo
Jon, I googled smokey yunick camaro. Almost all the pics are modern of V.E.'s car which I think is a '68 non RS car. This one appears to be a real RS '67, there's a front view of this car but you never know with Smokey.
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« Reply #21 on: March 09, 2013, 09:10:11 AM »

Does anyone know if the dyno numbers in the original artile are factory spec. or after Smokey modified the engines? It was suprised that they were using the 2.73:1 rear in the big block car. I always thought of a low ratio for highway cruising and better fuel milage rather than racing.

Thanks for posting the articles. It is awsome seeing the old photos of way it was back then for younger guys like me that were not around at that time.
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« Reply #22 on: March 10, 2013, 12:58:25 AM »

Those horsepower numbers are from Smokey's dyno and are not factory ratings. He was using the low numerical 2.73 ratio because he was trying to achieve a high top speed and not going for fast acceleration over a short distance such as a quarter mile.
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« Reply #23 on: April 17, 2013, 12:09:17 AM »

A little blurb from National Speed Sport News (July 10, 1968) giving some insight into Smokey's venture to Equador. (Jon Mello Collection)



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« Reply #24 on: April 17, 2013, 05:21:03 AM »

Pure Smokey, at his best!!
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« Reply #25 on: April 17, 2013, 12:09:19 PM »

You're welcome. Here's another Smokey Camaro photo. It is not the same car that appears in on page 105
of the Bonneville speed records article based on that car RS backup lights and rear license plate opening.


Hot Rod magazine photo
Jon, I googled smokey yunick camaro. Almost all the pics are modern of V.E.'s car which I think is a '68 non RS car. This one appears to be a real RS '67, there's a front view of this car but you never know with Smokey.

The Edelbrock/Yunick Camaro was at Road America a few years ago. Although it looks like a '68 it has a round wiper motor mounting; '67 only.
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« Reply #26 on: April 17, 2013, 03:27:28 PM »

So are you thinking they started with a  '67 and it evolved into a '68?
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« Reply #27 on: April 17, 2013, 03:48:51 PM »

There is a round plate over the wiper motor opening on Vic's car but the surrounding metal is all '68. The '68s have two "grooves" in the metal, one on either side of the motor, and the '67s have a very smooth firewall with no such grooves. I'm sure I have a picture somewhere. The '68 and '69 wiper motor opening is oval also, not round like a '67. This plate on the Edelbrock car is large enough to cover it all (but not the grooves).
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« Reply #28 on: April 17, 2013, 11:02:29 PM »

This car from Riverside has vent windows too, which could be changed easily.
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« Reply #29 on: April 17, 2013, 11:53:47 PM »

Here's a shot I have of the wiper motor area showing the '68 style crease in the firewall.
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« Reply #30 on: April 18, 2013, 12:24:42 AM »

Hot Rod magazine pic, December '67 issue.
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« Reply #31 on: April 18, 2013, 12:56:12 PM »

     Vic's car is the 68 we had at Yenko for several years.Well, sort of.... As I recall , when David Tom found it , it was very rusty and he rebodied it before selling it to Vic. It had been acid dipped originally, so the metal was thin to start with.
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« Reply #32 on: April 18, 2013, 03:12:08 PM »

SOOO, that's saying this '67 is sitting somewhere? Anyone know if it's a real Z? When built?
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« Reply #33 on: April 18, 2013, 06:22:36 PM »

There is not only one first-gen Smokey Yunick Camaro and the Bonneville article confims that. Where the first car is now (the one that showed up at Riverside) is anybody's guess but I would have to think it no longer exists. There are no docs that I know of that indicate that Smokey built a car from an actual '67 Z. David Tom did give me some original door panels that he got from Smokey's shop and they are from December '66.
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« Reply #34 on: April 18, 2013, 08:57:28 PM »

Thanks Jon, he's one man I sure wish I had met.
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« Reply #35 on: April 19, 2013, 12:18:26 AM »

Me too, Doug. Very interesting character, to say the least.
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« Reply #36 on: April 19, 2013, 06:56:26 AM »

Smokey sold at least two Camaros that were dressed as 1968's and they were run in 1969

Don Yenko bought one of them but they were both in some of the same races in 1969

Don Yenko won the Citrus 250 at Daytona in 1969 and ran it in the 24hr Daytona race with Dick Guldsrand as co driver
Don ran about 6 TransAm races in it in 1969

I think the other one was bought by Tiny Lund but I am not sure

Tiny had a bunch of Camaros and won many Nascar races in them from about 1969 to 1971 often had Pepsi as a sponsor

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« Reply #37 on: April 19, 2013, 06:46:18 PM »

I have seen Tiny Lund driving a '69-bodied car with Pepsi sponsorship that was supposedly built by Smokey. I don't recall Tiny in a '68-bodied Camaro but maybe my brain's not firing on all cylinders.
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« Reply #38 on: April 20, 2013, 12:15:08 AM »

Smokey Yunick's Camaro at the '68 Daytona 24-Hour, where it was disqualified. This photo is from Cars Illustrated
magazine. What's nice is it names a couple of Smokey's mechanics. I wonder if either of these guys is still around.

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« Reply #39 on: April 23, 2013, 07:50:01 AM »

Smokey Yunick sold several (3 or 4) acid dipped 67-68 bodies plus one Daytona or Salt Flat "COMPLETE" (black and gold with #13 on doors and hood) car, less drivetrain, to John Todds in Spring of '69. Front clip and  black bench seat were installed on-in  my '67 street car and balance of car was still at Todco when I left in Spring of '72. I still own part (hand made Z-28 ram air prototype with #13 hand written on it) from Smokey.
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« Reply #40 on: April 23, 2013, 09:34:41 AM »

Thanks for the info, Ken. I remember you telling us about the one Smokey Camaro that provided your car with the seat and front clip, but I did not recall hearing there were 3 or 4 others. Why would John Todds buy all these cars and what became of them? Seems odd to buy them and just park them out back to waste away. Any chance you could show us a photo of the part you still own?
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« Reply #41 on: April 23, 2013, 02:52:04 PM »

The one parked out back had a roll bar and and a factory wire harness and interior if I remember and was never "chemically milled". The dipped bodies must have been test bodies in as much as they were all dipped too long, but to different degrees. Not usable and why bought - not sure. I think Smokey might have considered them scrap. I believe they were stored in a barn outside of Montreal and maybe then scrapped. They were really way too thin to be unusable. I will take photos of what I have from Smokey and of a cross ram filter housing that was from Titus, Woods, or Smokey. Also not a production part but maybe someone will recognize it.
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« Reply #42 on: April 23, 2013, 11:26:16 PM »

Very interesting, Ken. When you say the one out back had an interior, do you mean a full interior including carpet and headliner. You also indicate one was black & gold with the #13 on it but than also indicate the bodies were all too thin to be useable. Was the #13 black & gold car the one parked out back or one of the unusable bodies stored in a barn? Sorry if it's obvious and I'm confused. I suppose it was McConnell's money that was in play on this deal. Smokey would've been offloading the stuff cheap anyway because Bunkie Knudsen lured him over to work for Ford by then.

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« Reply #43 on: April 24, 2013, 07:36:48 AM »

Jon, I don't know if Smokey could have built a 69 Camaro for Tiny Lund as Smokey went to Ford in 1969
when Bunkie Knudsen left Chevy to run Ford he took Smokey with him

Yunick built a 69 Mustang with a 429 and a 302 for the Ford Motor Company in 1969 and worked on other Ford projects

Smokey's mustang
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« Reply #44 on: April 24, 2013, 12:45:15 PM »

Back in the late 1980's or early 1990's,  I called the Chevrolet dealership in Daytona Beach, FL inquiring about historical records as I was doing some research on an early MO engine block that I have.   I talked to several people there but got lucky with an older guy that gave me the telephone number of a lady that was retired that used to work at, what was then, Spence Chevrolet.

While she had no idea where any of the old records might be or if they even still existed,  she did remember her early years working there.   When I explained to her about me trying to make a Smokey Yunick connection to the engine block,  she said she couldn't help me with that but she did remember some strange things going in regard to Smokey Yunick during those years.    She remembered wooden crates coming in from Chevrolet to Smokey Yunick's attention.   Spence Chevrolet would call Smokey's shop to come pick the parts up.  Also,  the invoices would have their dealer code with a dash 13 on them.   Any invoices with a dash 13, she wasn't supposed to pay Chevrolet.   She said it wouldn't matter if the dash 13 was there or not, because all of the invoices stated  "Misc. Parts"  in the description column and the unit cost was zero.
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« Reply #45 on: April 24, 2013, 11:21:49 PM »

Rick, that's some neat information. Thanks for sharing.

Joe, I agree about Smokey going over to Ford for '69 however Pete Hamilton drove a very fast '69 Camaro with Gene White (the East Coast Firestone tire distributor) sponsorship and Gene White was no car builder. The speculaton was that Smokey Yunick built the car. That hasn't been definitively proven either way, that I know of. Maybe somebody else knows? I think Tiny took over that car in '70. Tiny had been driving Cougars in Nascar GT the previous couple of years. It could be the Gene White car was built just prior to Smokey going to Ford.
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« Reply #46 on: April 25, 2013, 09:33:46 PM »

A friend just bought a 69 Torino that Bunkie had Holman- Moody-Stroppe build for Bobby Unser to run Pikes Peak. Smokey built the Boss 429 that went in it. Head the record for I think 6 years.
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« Reply #47 on: April 25, 2013, 11:21:15 PM »

I was always impressed by the big Detroit Iron that guys would race up that hill with the tails hanging out over the edge of a steep cliff. My hat is off to all the racers that took on Pikes Peak no matter what they were driving.
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« Reply #48 on: April 26, 2013, 04:46:07 PM »

       Warren Dernoshek and I had a discussion about the Gene White car last year. Warren talked to Smokey over the years and he confirmed thatcar was his. I have photos of this car in my files.
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« Reply #49 on: April 27, 2013, 12:24:55 AM »

That's good info, Mark. Thank you. I read Smokey's biography and he may have mentioned the Gene White car in there but it's been over 10 years since I read it and I have simply forgotten.

I have posted photos below that Ken Ulrich sent me last night. These are the pieces he got from Smokey which he talked about in reply #39.

"The duct is made of an off white beige plastic and held together with pop rivets not glued or heat bonded and has original piece of masking tape as received in shipment
from Smokey just after '69 Sebring race. Cross ram duct, made of fiberglass not plastic, is sort of rough around the edges and does not have provision for air cleaner. My
guess is it was made for dyno testing, was probably also from Smokey, (has trace of masking tape on top). The  '69 Trans Am chassis Todco received from Godsall or
Titus was only a rolling chassis so not likely to have an air cleaner, especially one not designed for use without air cleaner. If used for dyno testing not from Roy Woods.

The acid dipped bodies, I believe 3 of them not 4, were bare metal not painted. The black and gold one was "probably" a production car was NOT acid dipped, had
factory caulking, factory dash and factory glass. It had a roll bar but not a full cage. It did not have a back seat. I do not remember if it had headliner or carpet but I
think it had a cut out in trunk from a fuel cell. Whenever I see a photo of one of Smokey"s gold and black cars with # 13 it still send a chill up my spine."























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« Reply #50 on: April 27, 2013, 12:57:32 AM »

Ken,

I don't recognize the first item of yours at all. Some kind of an airbox for two-4bbls but for what car/application, I don't know. Maybe somebody else has an idea.

As for the duct with the "#13-302" label on it, it looks very similar in construction to the one used on the Z-28 prototype or press preview car shown below. This is slightly different than the duct looked like on the production line Z-28s in '67-'68 due to its riveted construction and other subtle differences.






Also, the light color of the duct under the black paint reminded me of the white duct on Craig Fisher's car seen at Daytona in February '67.

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« Reply #51 on: April 27, 2013, 10:21:43 AM »

Ken,

I don't recognize the first item of yours at all. Some kind of an airbox for two-4bbls but for what car/application, I don't know. Maybe somebody else has an idea.


A center to center measurement of the carb studs will help determine the application.
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« Reply #52 on: April 27, 2013, 06:15:42 PM »

Beginning in April '68 (after the Daytona & Sebring endurance races), a 22-gallon fuel cell became mandatory in Trans-Am cars. Prior to that there was not the same sort of regulation on fuel tank size. Craig Fisher's Camaro ran a 40-gallon tank at Daytona in '67.
As a former SCCA Tech Inspector during the era discussed in this thread, I can say that as a production-based class, it would not have made sense to have forbidden stock gas tanks. The rules for 1967 required "stock" gas tanks.

FIA Group 1 rule excerpted from the Sedan Category rules in the 1967 SCCA General Competition Regulations (GCR):
"Art. 257 -- Mountings and modifications authorized:
b) fuel and oil tanks: must be those normally provided by the manufacturer for the model concerned, the capacities of which are mentioned on the recognition form. If, for the said model, tanks of different capacities are normally provided, only those mounted on the required number of cars necessary for recognition of the said model will be authorized."
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« Reply #53 on: April 27, 2013, 07:19:20 PM »

January '68 Hot Rod magazine article on Smokey Yunick. (Jon Mello Collection)





Regarding the 67 Camaro that Smokey entered in the Trans Am series...
As I stated in my post above, I was an SCCA Tech Inspector at that time. I was a kid whose parents were Inspectors and the Chief of Tech for the Pro Series was John Timanus, who had been the Cal Club region Chief of Tech, so he knew me. At the Riverside race, Smokey and his crew showed up late with the car for Tech. I was by the Scales when they showed up and went and fetched John Timanus and my dad, Jack Parcells, who was the Cal Club Chief of Rules Enforcement (a sub-group of Tech, which was responsible for teardowns and such). John agreed to inspect the car even though it was after the specified time. The 3 of us were the inspectors for this car. John asked Smokey to have his crew unload the car from the trailer for inspection. As they untied the car, I already spotted a serious rule violation and pointed it out to John. The car had a non-removable full belly pan painted to match the upper surface.
"but if you think that 'un was slick, wait'll (sic) you see this Camaro. You can turn it upside down and cant tell the difference or which side's smoother. Ain't nobody said nothin' in the rules about..."
One thing in the rule book Smokey had read too quickly was the part where it said "Mountings and modifications authorized". It specifies thereafter ALL of the modifications which WERE ALLOWED. The SCCA rule book was not full of rules about what one COULD NOT do. That sort of rule book would go on to infinity. One started with a car precisely as specified in the FIA recognition form that the manufacturer had submitted for that model of car, and the rule book then told exactly which modifications WERE allowed from that. So anything "nobody said nothin' in the rules about" were things which were NOT allowed. He just didn't get that. The body shell of that car was acid dipped 'til it was nearly transparent. A fingertip could make a huge dent in the roof or any other panel. As we inspected the car finding one violation after another, John finally said..."There's no point in continuing this. The car is so far outside of the rules it can't be brought within them this week or ever. Pack it up and take it home and don't ever show up with it again!" Smokey tried to argue, but John just gave him a stern look and turned and walked away.

I never encountered a race car of any sort with body work so thin and weak. I would expect that car to wrinkle the roof and sides from the airflow as it went down the track. It was absolutely gorgeous and I'm quite sure it would have been very fast too. But it wasn't going to be fast or race at all in Trans Am. Note in the pics of the Trans Am car above, little details such as the VERY tight door and hood lines, the lack of holes for bumper mounting bolts, etc.
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« Reply #54 on: April 28, 2013, 01:25:58 AM »

Welcome aboard! Thanks for signing up and giving us your recollections from Smokey's Riverside escapade. My folks were tech inspectors for SCCA also but we were in Illinois back then. I got my tech license in '73. If you took any pics from the '67-'72 Trans-Am era, we'd love to see them.
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« Reply #55 on: April 28, 2013, 02:59:21 AM »

Hi Jon.

So you know, My name is Richard Parcells. In '73 I was transitioning over to working Offroad races. The last time I worked an SCCA race was the 1975 Long Beach Grand Prix. I have a few pics I took in the late 60s-early 70s on film, but almost nothing of those uploaded to the computer.

I recently worked with John Ryals on restoring the Fred Sutherland 67 Shelby Mustang Trans Am car for Fred. John Morton drove it at the Monterey Historics this past summer. I have some pics of that car and some of the other Trans Am cars I've worked on...a 1971 Penske - Roy Woods Javelin and a 1969 Mustang Boss 302.

I'll share those soon, maybe in another thread. Thanks for putting this whole board together!
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« Reply #56 on: April 28, 2013, 11:16:32 AM »

Thanks, Richard. I had a nice phone conversation with John Ryals last week and I'm glad he pointed you to this forum. I think both of you will be assets to this forum as questions come up, especially with regard to cars or racers from the Southern California area. I did see Fred Sutherland's Mustang at Monterey last summer and thought it was very nicely done. The paint job looked just like the original too.

Get back to the Smokey car parked out behind the Todco shop, Ken Ulrich had described the car as having a roll bar and not a full roll cage, plus it was not an acid-dipped car. To me that sounds a bit strange for a Smokey car since I would assume he would always build a cage because of how he built cars for Nascar. I did take an opportunity to blow up the pics of the cars Smokey was using at Bonneville and, granted it is hard to tell for sure, but it seems like there may not have been a full cage in one of the cars used there. Does anybody else out there have more pics of the Camaros Smokey ran at Bonneville in late '67?













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« Reply #57 on: April 28, 2013, 11:56:57 AM »

Ken,

I don't recognize the first item of yours at all. Some kind of an airbox for two-4bbls but for what car/application, I don't know. Maybe somebody else has an idea.


A center to center measurement of the carb studs will help determine the application.
I believe this airbox is too small for a crossram. Is that what you were infering? This was the period in racing history most of us followed closely. I'm glad to see new members and information.
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« Reply #58 on: April 28, 2013, 04:48:29 PM »

The Smokey Camaro parked behind Todco was not an RS. When we received the Camaro bodies from Smokey, The acid dipped bodies went into storrage and I never saw them again. John Todds told me at the time (1969) that the#13 black and gold rolling chassis I spoke of earlier was a Bonneville car. The front fenders were slightly stretched wider at wheel openings and this front clip is the one you see in the photos of my street car posted under Todco. Drivers door is reflecting light but fender is not due to angle caused by stretch.
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« Reply #59 on: April 28, 2013, 05:04:51 PM »

I will measure the center to center later this week, thanks Maroman.
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« Reply #60 on: April 28, 2013, 11:27:40 PM »

Thanks, Richard. I had a nice phone conversation with John Ryals last week and I'm glad he pointed you to this forum. I think both of you will be assets to this forum as questions come up, especially with regard to cars or racers from the Southern California area. I did see Fred Sutherland's Mustang at Monterey last summer and thought it was very nicely done. The paint job looked just like the original too.

Thank you, Jon. John Ryals puts out very nice product. I've known him all my life. We've worked together on and off since 1986. But he did NOT point me to this forum and we haven't discussed it at all. He'd probably be amazed that I would be involved with a Camaro forum (I like early Camaros, Novas, Corvettes and such, but I prefer Fords). But maybe we could get John to provide some photos of his early Camaro A/Sedan he won the '73 Cal Club Regional Championship with to upload  to digital and share. It was a beautiful car he built himself.

As for cars and racing in SoCal, I wish sometimes now that I had spent my life walking around with a Go-Pro HD camera on my hat so I could share the cars, people and events I have seen. Smokey Yunick was quite a "character" to deal with. That was the only time I did. Even though I was surrounded with a myriad of such characters all the time, I remember him fairly well. His work was beautiful and went way beyond the level of work his competition did. I had a great deal of respect for him.
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« Reply #61 on: April 29, 2013, 10:14:55 AM »

That's just an odd coincidence then, I guess. No matter how you got here, I'm glad to have your input, Richard. I have talked to John Ryals about getting some photos of his old Camaro and he's going to see what he has. Apparently, he sold the car to a racer down in Mexico back in the mid '70s and hasn't seen it since. I wonder if it still exists.

Smokey's cars always were great looking and had the strongest engines in them. As a result, he never seemed to have a problem getting the best drivers out there to drive for him.
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« Reply #62 on: May 01, 2013, 09:56:39 AM »

The edelbrock car show is this weekend, Any thing anybody wants "seen"? The phoney 67 327 SS, or one of the Smokey 13's ?
 They will not pop the hoods.
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« Reply #63 on: May 01, 2013, 04:36:35 PM »

The edelbrock car show is this weekend, Any thing anybody wants "seen"? The phoney 67 327 SS, or one of the Smokey 13's ?
 They will not pop the hoods.
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« Reply #64 on: May 01, 2013, 10:36:32 PM »

Vic's red SS Camaro is not a phony. It does not have the 4P code on the cowl tag but that is normal practice for an early build '67 Norwood car, which that car is.
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« Reply #65 on: May 02, 2013, 05:08:19 AM »

I THOUGHT the red car was the first SS built in LA? That car sold lots of magazines and turned a lot of kids into Camaro addicts, me included, even if they did fake all the strip times. Which '67 is phoney then?
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« Reply #66 on: May 02, 2013, 09:53:01 AM »

The red car is the only '67 that Vic has, that I know of and it's not a phony. It was one of the first SS350s in the LA area but was not built at the Van Nuys plant. They probably didn't know or care where it was built when it was new.
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« Reply #67 on: May 02, 2013, 10:06:03 AM »

It's a real "car", phoney SS. So the First SS with the all new 350 was produced with a 327? ( I don't think so,  wheres the docs. ?)  Jon, lack of a 4P makes it an SS ? Do you have a picture of the motor stamps? and  the car mags NEVER fudged anything! Red Camaro on the cover sold many hot rod mags for sure. Some how this car is supposed to be real, but the Pink special paint Z-28 from another thread is for sure phoney becuse there is no doc's, How does this square?
 LA, Norwood what is the truth? somebody here (Mark or William maybe) says they have a picture of the cowl tag, Can that be checked.  See what I mean, the whole story on that car is foggy. I for one sure would like to nkow the truth about this very covered car. Vic's a hell of a guy, somehow he always remembers my name.
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« Reply #68 on: May 02, 2013, 01:15:22 PM »

     With reference to reply #51 - The carb  "center to center"  on the duct measures 10 3/4".  I hope this helps.
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« Reply #69 on: May 02, 2013, 02:49:26 PM »

     With reference to reply #51 - The carb  "center to center"  on the duct measures 10 3/4".  I hope this helps.

That is the correct measurement between the carb studs on a GM Cross ram intake.
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« Reply #70 on: May 02, 2013, 02:56:09 PM »

Victor,

I saw the red '67 when Vic brought it to one of the vintage races years ago. I believe it was the Monterey Historics. I made note of the VIN and cowl tag info. I probably got a picture of the cowl tag but don't have it on my computer. It's not a big deal other than the fact that it does not have the 4P code on it. CRG has done a lot of research and it has been noted that the 4P code was not present on the first couple of months of production of Norwood-built SS350 cars. This does not make the car a phony SS350. Since this is a Smokey Yunick thread and this is veering away from that, feel free to post something up in the regular forum but we are done talking about that car in this thread. Thanks.
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« Reply #71 on: May 02, 2013, 02:57:35 PM »

     With reference to reply #51 - The carb  "center to center"  on the duct measures 10 3/4".  I hope this helps.

That is the correct measurement between the carb studs on a GM Cross ram intake.

Thanks Ken and Robert for that information.
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     With reference to reply #51 - The carb  "center to center"  on the duct measures 10 3/4".  I hope this helps.
Neat, I'll have to look through some old books to see if it was ever in a picture.Would be great to own a piece of Smokey history.
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« Reply #73 on: May 02, 2013, 07:14:39 PM »

Ken,

I don't recognize the first item of yours at all. Some kind of an airbox for two-4bbls but for what car/application, I don't know. Maybe somebody else has an idea.


A center to center measurement of the carb studs will help determine the application.

Thanks for taking the measurement Ken. That measurement has put a lot of hearsay questions and comments to bed in the past. Much appreciated!
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« Reply #74 on: May 05, 2013, 10:13:59 PM »

Smokey's Camaro on the high banks at Daytona in a Nascar GT race. (Jon Mello Collection)
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« Reply #75 on: July 01, 2013, 12:05:12 AM »

More vintage Smokey Yunick Camaro photos from Riverside, September 1967. These are from Petersen Publishing. (Jon Mello Collection)





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« Reply #76 on: July 01, 2013, 12:23:36 AM »

Great pictures Jon. Thanks for sharing.
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« Reply #77 on: July 02, 2013, 02:27:21 PM »

a good friend clark irwin who worked for GM at the tech center spent time at smokeys. he would send me little tips on stuff they did with the BBC. i have some here on my computer and will post them if i can.
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« Reply #78 on: July 02, 2013, 02:31:36 PM »

here is one on BBC chevy heads
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« Reply #79 on: July 02, 2013, 02:49:27 PM »

when we ran the 57 FI chey on the NASCAR beach race at daytona in 57 we burned a piston,towed it over to smokeys repaired it and drove it back to Pa. back then you drove the race cars to the races. smokeys car also burned a piston while leading
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« Reply #80 on: July 02, 2013, 09:14:21 PM »

Wow, you are older than dirt, aren't you.  Cheesy

Who was the driver of the 57 you were associated with? Yes, it's true that many cars got driven to the track in the old days. Paul van Valkenburgh drove his Camaro to the track in the 1971 Trans-Am series although by that late date, it was certainly more the exception than the rule.
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« Reply #81 on: July 02, 2013, 09:34:36 PM »

And if they weren't driven to the races, they were flat towed.
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Wow, you are older than dirt, aren't you.  Cheesy

Who was the driver of the 57 you were associated with? Yes, it's true that many cars got driven to the track in the old days. Paul van Valkenburgh drove his Camaro to the track in the 1971 Trans-Am series although by that late date, it was certainly more the exception than the rule.
ed fiola who was my cousin. i just turned 79 in may
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« Reply #83 on: July 04, 2013, 09:24:53 AM »

Wow, you are older than dirt, aren't you.  Cheesy

Who was the driver of the 57 you were associated with? Yes, it's true that many cars got driven to the track in the old days. Paul van Valkenburgh drove his Camaro to the track in the 1971 Trans-Am series although by that late date, it was certainly more the exception than the rule.
in paul's book about GM racing he listed my friend clark irwin's name
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Some pictures showing the double floor pan.




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« Reply #85 on: November 17, 2013, 09:45:51 PM »

found this pretty cool shot of I believe, smokey's camaro on the pole for a NASCAR GT race. guessing 1968 ? the shot is about half way down the page. followed by a pic of the two cougars from 1967. hope the link works.

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« Reply #86 on: November 17, 2013, 10:01:37 PM »

Thanks for posting, Mike. Yes, I do think that's one of Smokey's Camaros and it does appear to be from '68.
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« Reply #87 on: November 30, 2013, 12:21:25 AM »

Smokey Yunick auction coverage from the August 1988 issue of Super Chevy magazine.

















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« Reply #88 on: November 30, 2013, 07:53:42 AM »

Thanks John. The canted valve small block is now in a '69 Camaro in Garret's museum.
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« Reply #89 on: November 30, 2013, 04:38:01 PM »

You're welcome, Doug.  I believe the '67 302 is owned by Max Raffaele who has a white '67 Z he's putting it in.
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« Reply #90 on: November 30, 2013, 04:49:02 PM »

Great Story. Any updates on what happened with the auction at the '89 Daytona 500?
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« Reply #91 on: November 30, 2013, 05:27:10 PM »

Thanks, Mike.  I don't recall seeing a follow-up article with details on the second auction and I don't personally
know what was left to sell. If somebody else has a follow-up article or more details, feel free to fill us in. I think
that Tom McIntyre and Mark Mountanos from the Historic Trans-Am group got most or all of the MkII Mystery Motor
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