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Jerry@CHP
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« on: January 26, 2013, 09:24:26 PM »

Just found out that an original L78 car without the original engine was represented as an all original L89 Camaro certified by me.  The car was certified but it was missing its original L78 engine.  This car is not an original L89.  It was an original L78 car.  The original 840 heads were still with the car when I inspected it three years ago.

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« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2013, 10:44:17 PM »

LINK to the auction.

Here's my issue with this.

Mecum states in their online description:

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This 1968 Chevrolet Camaro SS coupe is a very rare machine indeed. Documented as one of only 4,575 built with the L78 396/375 HP big block engine, it has rare factory L89 aluminum heads on a correct date coded block and retains the original M21 4-speed and 4.10-geared 12-bolt Positraction rear axle. A life-long Ohio resident, it has been completely rotisserie restored and correctly finished in Matador Red with a Black vinyl roof, Black front accent stripe, Red painted steel wheels with dog dish caps and Firestone Redline Wide Ovals and a rare Red interior. This spectacular factory L89 Camaro SS comes complete with an authentication report and certificate.

This right there proves that even though they know this car ISN'T an original factory L89 car, they're advertising it as such, using Jerry's name to give credence.

Of course, their disclaimer states:

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Information found on the website is presented as advance information for the auction lot. Photos, materials for videos, descriptions and other information are provided by the consignor/seller and is deemed reliable, but Mecum Auction does not verify, warrant or guarantee this information. The lot and information presented at auction on the auction block supersedes any previous descriptions or information. Mecum is not responsible for information that may be changed or updated prior to the auction. The decision to purchase should be based solely on the buyers personal inspection of the lot at the auction site prior to the auction.

To me this is nothing but smoke and mirrors with Mecum trying to pass an original L78 (non-numbers matching since the original block is gone), as an original FACTORY L89. VERY deceptive to say the least and not something I'd expect from a (supposedly) reputable company.

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« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2013, 11:18:07 PM »

Thanks to this site i stayed away from that car. I think it went to 90 and was a no sale
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« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2013, 10:54:49 AM »

Ed, you hit the nail right on the head.  Very deceptive ad and not how we would hope a reputable company would conduct business.

Steve
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« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2013, 12:20:04 PM »

So what you're saying is that B-J, Mecum, Russo-Steele has to assume full liability for EVERY claim made for EVERY car in their auctions?

Read the auction terms-AS IS, WHERE IS. All claims are from the seller.
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« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2013, 12:29:59 PM »

The way I read it they say its a documented L78. Only that it now has L89 heads. . Documented as one of only 4,575 built with the L78 396/375 HP
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« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2013, 01:32:33 PM »

I was very curious about the background of the 'John Justo' that had quite a number of very pricey cars sold thru that auction.  It may be my 'old' memory, but I don't recall ever hearing of his collection before..?  Does anyone know who/where he is?
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« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2013, 01:40:51 PM »

So what you're saying is that B-J, Mecum, Russo-Steele has to assume full liability for EVERY claim made for EVERY car in their auctions?

Read the auction terms-AS IS, WHERE IS. All claims are from the seller.

The ad says "This spectacular factory L89 Camaro SS comes complete with an authentication report and certificate.".  Not debating if they are liable.....just that the ad is deceptive.
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« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2013, 01:44:20 PM »

Who writes the ad copy?
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« Reply #9 on: January 27, 2013, 02:31:19 PM »

I have talked with Mark Manning this morning about the car.  He will post something here.  He restored the car, sold it to Rob Sitts and it was sold again.  Now it's at the Mecum auction.  The aluminum heads on the car are service replacements according to what Mark told me.  Car does not have its original engine.  The original owner and his wife are both deceased.  I have original photos of the car when it was new. 
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« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2013, 04:47:08 PM »

I would be surprised if Mecum wrote any ad copy with respect to how a particular car may or may not be equipped.
Auction companies don't incur liability nor should they when it comes to whether or not a car is what the seller states, that is for the buyer to determine.

The problem could arise when/if the auction company is alerted to a suspected fraud and they do nothing with-in their power to correct or advise potential bidders of said potential fraud, such as add a disclaimer or to place conditions on the sale or etc, then there could possibly be grounds on which a lawyer may base their case. If however an auction company pulled a listing or even TAINTED a car which could not be disproven, then the auction company could end up being liable for seller's TIME, SHIPPING, REPUTATION, ETC.
 
What happens when/if someone doesn't like the fact that the car you are selling is nicer that the one they are selling and cries wolf and it ends up costing many people TONS of $$$.
Is the wolf crier liable?
Should they be?

Studying the what if's for each party involved reveals the answer is not so simple.
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« Reply #11 on: January 27, 2013, 05:18:19 PM »

The way I read it they say its a documented L78. Only that it now has L89 heads. . Documented as one of only 4,575 built with the L78 396/375 HP
  That is the way I read it too, but ONLY because of the discussion here. If I had read it before I would have thought it to be an original L-89. Very disceptive!
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« Reply #12 on: January 27, 2013, 05:35:12 PM »

They mention 3 times that it is an L78 car. Not sure what all the fuss is about.
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« Reply #13 on: January 27, 2013, 06:24:42 PM »

The car i was referring to that didn't sell was the 69. It had issues also. Sorry for the confusion
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« Reply #14 on: January 28, 2013, 08:31:20 PM »

I reviewed Mecum's Jan. auction cars in anticipation of going there back in December and that 68 was one of them as it was an eye catcher. My thoughts upon first reading it and reviewing several times later before this post hit was it was an original L78 car now sporting orig. type alum. heads but never thought or assumed it was an original L89. As many have said auction houses communicate what has been passed onto them and it's up to the potential bidders to determine what is correct. BUT, I can understand and agree that many of the descriptions leave a lot to be desired and are fashioned to be "you be the judge!" I was more interested in that red 62 bubble top 409/409hp Chevy Smiley
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