1969 Camaro Z/28 Survivor

[PURESS]

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http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/ank/cto/5702231755.html

[william]

Seems like it could be a decent buy. But it was posted 10 days ago. By now someone has checked it out.

[jdv69z]

Any idea on VIN?

[ko-lek-tor]

NOM, Repaint??? Survivor?? 1st mis-representation right there.

[Kelley W King]

Sounds like mine ,62,000 miles one repaint, NOM 302, original interior except carpet and front seats. No docs but NCRS verified Scuncio Car. Gives me a place to think about value of future sale.

[Kelley W King]

 I sent a post about my car before I saw the last post. I have never called my car a survivor. Now my 69 L78 , CE block, CX turbo, original interior, rear end, dated Holley which I think is too rare to be found and owner history back to 77 last repaint (talked to them by phone) I still do not refer to it as a survivor. Too many under hood parts not original. But my CX has the vin on it. It is a ball of fire to drive.

[bcmiller]

The term Survivor is WAY overused.

[BULLITT65]

Any 40+ year old car still on the road qualifies as a survivor these days....

I like the color. Just like Bills car, that color can really deep.

[BillOhio]

There was one at mecum harrisburg in Burgundy that brought 60. I haven't talked to Chick to see the deal on it. It was called a survivor but no real info listed and it had a rear antenna that didn't look right

[bcmiller]

Any 40+ year old car still on the road qualifies as a survivor these days....

Incorrect.

[william]

I believe the NCRS allows repaints in their survivor class. And no one questions John Z's car, which has a warranty shortblock.

It's a term subject to interpretation.

[BULLITT65]

I believe the NCRS allows repaints in their survivor class. And no one questions John Z's car, which has a warranty shortblock.

It's a term subject to interpretation.

I agree it is all in the eyes of the "seller" these days, and each seller makes his best case of how their car should be considered a survivor.
"it has all original panels"
" it was repainted in the original colors"
"replacement motor was built using original specs or parts"
"original owner put new quarters on the car to keep it in pristine condition"
" Car only has 15k miles and was treated to a full restoration"
I have seen all these descriptions and more, used to classify a classic car as a survivor.

I think it is just easier to say unrestored vs. restored, and even then there is some grey area on what has been maintained vs left to age.

I like Cooks car that he got from his dad. Darrell does a great job of keeping up on it and maintaining it so it can be driven. To me his car fits what I would consider unrestored. I would also put Gary's Orange RS Z in there. Just my 2 cents

[bcmiller]

I believe the NCRS allows repaints in their survivor class. And no one questions John Z's car, which has a warranty shortblock.

It's a term subject to interpretation.

Just like "matching numbers" for some people.

My ideas for a Survivor include...
1. Original or mostly original paint.
2. Original or mostly original interior.
3. Original engine, transmission and rear axle plus most additional components (carb, distributor, alternator, starter, etc.)

A car with dealer warranty work, and paperwork to back it up - can be given some wiggle room.

[bcmiller]

I don't think NCRS has a "Survivor" designation.

That's Bloomington Gold.
http://www.bloomingtongold.com/index.php/events/classic-events/judging/survivor-corvette

The SURVIVOR®  Award is designed to recognize those Corvettes that are "worn in, but not worn out." A SURVIVOR Corvette is significantly unrestored, unrepaired, or unmodified and meets these requirements:

Is over 20 years old
Can pass a road test over 10 miles
Retains OEM engine
Remains unrestored, un-refinished, or unaltered;
50% or more in all four sections to attain SURVIVOR Bronze
66% or more in all four sections to attain SURVIVOR Silver
80% or more in all four sections to attain SURVIVOR Gold

Retains finishes good enough to use as a color guide for restoration of a car just like it.

[cook_dw]

I'm not considering my car as anything other than an unrivaled treasure.. . But I'm biased.