Trunk Lid Identification

[cook_dw]

I decided to go ahead and create a new thread because I think this needs more research.  Here is what we have so far.


George's (NoYenko's) trunk lid on his 69 that is thought to be for a 67:




My 67 trunk lid:




George's (NoYenko's) pic of a 68 lid:




My 12-67 68 trunk lid:




Father's 3-68 trunk lid:




George's (NoYenko's) pic of a 2-69 trunk lid:




My 7-69 trunk lid:

[plumL78]

 That is an early 67 deck lid. Need a full pic to tell just how early

[cook_dw]

Which one?

[Petes L48]

Here's an old thread on early 67 lids with pictures, apparently LOS and NOR were different:
http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=9554.0

[cook_dw]

Interesting.

[cook_dw]

Updated:


George's (NoYenko's) trunk lid on his 69 that is for a 67:




427-King 8-66 LOS 67 lid:




My 11-66 NOR 67 trunk lid:




George's (NoYenko's) pic of a 68 lid:




My 12-67 68 trunk lid:




Father's 3-68 trunk lid:




George's (NoYenko's) pic of a 2-69 trunk lid:




My 7-69 trunk lid:

[67L78]

Does the one you call "My 11-66 NOR 67 trunk lid" have a big hole on each side of the latch?

[z28z11]

My late great NOS lid - whoever has it got a good one.

I will try to add a pic of my Nov. '69 L78 lid tomorrow, which might give an earlier window. I also can look at my 03C Pace Car, and the 01C X77 to see if there is a two-design lid here.

Regards -

[cook_dw]

Does the one you call "My 11-66 NOR 67 trunk lid" have a big hole on each side of the latch?

Pretty sure they were added later on when the spoiler was installed.  They are not clean stamped holes.  Unless that is how they are suppose to be but I wouldnt think so.

[VINCE Z28]

Original off a  09D 68 L.A.  L-78

[cook_dw]

Does it have the taps under the lip?  Cant see in the pic.  Thanks, Darrell

[VINCE Z28]

Darrell do you mean Caps, if so.... yes.

[cook_dw]

Well I meant to type tabs not taps.  Im sorry but my mind is just not in it today. 

[NoYenko]

I am thinking this is what we are referring to tabs, I see them on the 67,68, & up to middle 69.  Vince thanks for the picture that's the lid I need. George

[VINCE Z28]

Thanks George I was a little confused....I don't see any tabs.

[cook_dw]

Are you sure it doesn't have the tabs?  I swear I think I can see an outline of one or two of them.  Also TA's were produced or went into production around Feb or March of 69.  So when would we see the transition of the lids?  


Lets see some Dec 68 or Jan & Feb 69 cars with original lids.

[Mike S]

 Here are two pictures on my '67's from 04B (original paint) and 05B (in primer).
Hope it helps sort out when changes in the stampings approximately occurred

Mike.

[VINCE Z28]

Hey Darrell, I cropped this picture of the lid, It's the best I have.

[JohnZ]

<< Lets see some Dec 68 or Jan & Feb 69 cars with original lids. >>

Here's my original/untouched 02D 69Z with factory D80; it was shipped on February 28, 1969. 

2 more photos in next post.

[JohnZ]

Spoiler attaching hardware.

[Mike S]

John,

I see the trunk lid striker plate is painted. I guess in '69, or sometime before, the process was changed to install it (and adjust likely) prior to paint?
My '67 is not painted.

Mike

[cook_dw]

Interesting to see the tabs & TA tabs.  The change from the tabs to no tabs with the tabs must have happened at a later date than I first thought.

John,

I see the trunk lid striker plate is painted. I guess in '69, or sometime before, the process was changed to install it (and adjust likely) prior to paint?
My '67 is not painted.

Mike

67 was the only year that was plated.  68 & 9 were painted.

[NoYenko]

John thanks for the spoiler acorn nut picture, that is one of the points I lost at the Nationals. The reproduction nuts are too short. George

[little_hoss]

Great thread guys! So am I correct in assuming that 67, 68, and early 69 lids are supposed have the tabs?

[cook_dw]

All 67 & 68 had/have tabs but not all 69's have/had tabs. There was a change to no tabs just no sure when just yet. That's why I'd like to see more original lids.  My 07-69 & 11-69 do not have tabs but do have the TA holes.

[NoYenko]

Guys beside keeping track of the tabs we may also want to note the oval hole stamped in the lower center of the lid. I have not seen that on most original lids, but have seen that on most NOS lids. It may be related to the stamping plant. This NOS lid was stamped out at the "T" stamping plant. Noted by the upper arrow in this picture. Another piece to the puzzle. George

[little_hoss]

The original trunk lid on my 03E X44 1969 does not have the tabs.

[cook_dw]

Thanks George I missed that previously.

The original trunk lid on my 03E X44 1969 does not have the tabs.

Can you post a pic to add to the thread?

[rszmjt]

My RSZ28 trunk lid, 06A (June 18th) no tabs and the spoiler rear attachment is encapsulated washers nuts, spoiler had never been off. Owned the car since 74, no oval lower hole. True D80 car, Canadian Docs.

[VINCE Z28]

Darrell or George was the studs for the early 69 spoiler (Short one) and the later spoiler (longer one) in the same place on the lid? 

[plumL78]

The early 67 deck lids  also had the oval hole in the center like the nos ones do

[cook_dw]

Guys I have started a spreadsheet to help keep this info in order.  If you can give me your build date (on trim tag), Plant (NOR or LOS), stamping Plant Code (if readable if it isnt please note as such) & a pic that would be great.  Thanks, Darrell

[cook_dw]

The early 67 deck lids  also had the oval hole in the center like the nos ones do

Only ones I have seen have been the early LOS lids.  Do you know of or have any info of any lids with the oval center hole that came from NOR?

[NoYenko]

Darrell or George was the studs for the early 69 spoiler (Short one) and the later spoiler (longer one) in the same place on the lid? 

I have both short & long spoilers and the stud location is the same. George

[little_hoss]

Going to try and post some pics of mine. 03E X44 71 71 car.

[cook_dw]

Eric,
Do you have an overall pic of the lid?  Also can you make out the stamping in the center?

[cook_dw]

We need more cars guys!!! Keep them coming!

[little_hoss]

I'll get a better pic for you tomorrow.

[little_hoss]

Here are some more shots of my trunk lid from an 03E X44 car. It looks like my code is TA1 with an upside down 2 at the end. Hope these help 

[cook_dw]

Thanks!

[68Zproject]

05D 68Z

[Petes L48]

Lid on a 67 11B LOS, stamped T43 (the 3 almost looks like a 5) and does not have the oval hole in the center toward the front edge.  One hole to the right of latch plate and two to the left were drilled out when a PO added the spoiler.  FWIW this is a convertible and the LH quarter is stamped H43 2 and the right is H43 3.

[cook_dw]

05D 68Z

Anyway you can make out the stamping?  Thanks for the pics!!

Lid on a 67 11B LOS, stamped T43 (the 3 almost looks like a 5) and does not have the oval hole in the center toward the front edge.  One hole to the right of latch plate and two to the left were drilled out when a PO added the spoiler.  FWIW this is a convertible and the LH quarter is stamped H43 2 and the right is H43 3.

Thanks!!!

[68Zproject]

I've haven't looked in a while because the paint is so thick, but it looks like a D 8 something.

[cook_dw]

I've haven't looked in a while because the paint is so thick, but it looks like a D 8 something.

Also is your car NOR or LOS?

[68Zproject]

LOS

[cook_dw]

Thanks,

Ok we still need more 03 & 04 69 cars (NOR & LOS) along with early 08-66 - 01-67  LOS

[little_hoss]

Just wondering if anyone has deciphered the trunk stamp codes 

[cook_dw]

Thanks to ko-lek-tor for the heads up.  


http://www.camaros.org/numbers.shtml#sheet

[Jek9016]

Thanks for the info

[rsr]

Did only the Los built 67 trunk lid get a plated latch plate as shown on the red lid?

[Mike S]

My 67 05B

Did only the Los built 67 trunk lid get a plated latch plate as shown on the red lid?

My 67 05B NOR (as well as the 04B LOS) has a plated latch.

Mike

[cook_dw]

I believe painted latches started with 68.  All 7s should be plated to the best of my memory.

[cook_dw]

I am adding another lid to this.  Found on Hemmings this morning.  12A (1966) LOS car.

[ZLP955]

Thanks,
Ok we still need more 03 & 04 69 cars (NOR & LOS) along with early 08-66 - 01-67  LOS

Darrell, can you clarify exactly what details/areas of the trunk lid you need for your spreadsheet?

[cook_dw]

Tabs under the lip, holes in the outer panel for the T/A spoiler, build week, assembly plant and a photo. (69)

Tabs, center oval hole in outer panel, emblem cutouts on underside, build week, assembly plant and a photo.  (67)

[ZLP955]

Tabs under the lip, holes in the outer panel for the T/A spoiler, build week, assembly plant and a photo. (69)

OK. 04A Van Nuys build (NCRS shipper doc has production date of April 1, 1969), original paint under trunk lid. Sheetmetal date stamp T A 12. Photos tell the story. Interesting to note the original emblem holes in the lid where the spoiler sits, car is definitely a D80 and has one torsion rod thicker than the other.

Driver's side of trunk lid:


Passenger's side of trunk lid:


Lip detail (no tabs):


Emblem mounting and original (non-spoiler) emblem piercing:


Sheetmetal date code:


Front (leading edge) of spoiler mounting nut:


Rear (trailing edge) of spoiler mounting nut:

NOTE: spoiler is currently off the trunk lid during restoration, and was briefly removed in 1971 for the car to have it's drag-racing paint job applied, so no way to know if these nuts are original. However they do still have traces of dum-dum sealant around them.
Mike's (rszmjt's) picture shows captured washer on the nuts on his car.

[cook_dw]

Looks like someone made a mistake on the line...  The lower emblem holes do not show signs of nuts ever being on the paint..  First D80 car I have seen with the lower emblem holes punched..  Very cool..

[ZLP955]

Really? I guess I just assumed that all trunk lids were pierced at the time of manufacture ready for the standard (non-D80) emblem location, and additional holes were punched at the factory if the car had D80..... well that's something else I've learned!

[ZLP955]

Found the following thread which may explain the 2 sets of emblem holes:
http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=3752.0
I haven't read right through it yet, but that is probably where I got the idea that (at least some) deck lids came pre-pierced in the std emblem location.

[cook_dw]

No I remember that thread now..  I forgot there were some cars that had both holes early on.  I need to add that info to the spreadsheet. Thanks for that and sorry for the memory loss..

[ZLP955]

Need to correct what I posted above, seems the emblem holes were drilled through a fixture, rather than punched.

[firstgenaddict]

John stated there was only one deck lid supplied to the plants... that is until the Firebirds started being phased into Norwood from Lordstown with Trans Am spoilers not covering the lower emblem hole sets- all these had influence on the phase out of pre-punched deck lids.

[bcmiller]

Pic is not that good and I can not verify for sure that this is original.  But it is on my 09C 68 Camaro.  

[cook_dw]

Thanks Bryon.  I assume it has the tabs under the lip?  Can you make out the stamp code also?

[bcmiller]

Darrell, I can't remember on the tabs and that is the only pic I have right now.  

I looked for the date code, but could not see one. There is quite a bit of paint on it, so I will need to look closer next time. It's still in winter storage.

[ZLP955]

This is a picture from an 03E NOR X77 survivor, GM of Canada-documented car that has a production date of April 7, 1969; I noted it because the rear spoiler nuts are of the acorn style:

[69Z28-RS]

What is 'winter storage'??  does that mean it's stored in a snow bank or something??? 

I'm only teasing you northern folks of course... 

[bcmiller]

Gary, unfortunately up here I can only enjoy the car from about April to September.  

But it was 88 degrees here yesterday.  

If you run across any Rally Green 69 Novas down your way, let me know.  Would prefer it to be a big block car, but any V8 in that color would be fine.

[69Z28-RS]

If I come across a nice Nova of that vintage (any color), and it's priced in my budget, I'm going to buy it..    
If it's out of my budget, I'll give you a buzz..

[bcmiller]

OK, I have a few more pics.  Can't guarantee exactly what these were from originally, but will make an attempt.

First, I think this is from a 68 Frost Green big block. Wrecked in the 70s.  Date stamped in center at normal location is T23.

[bcmiller]

Second set.  I think this is from a 69. Might have been original black paint. Now mostly in primer.

Date stamped in center at normal location is 16.

[cook_dw]

That second set of pics is the exactly the types of lids I need.  Lids with the T/A holes and the tabs vs lids without the tabs and T/A holes. Right now it looks like the Feb - Mar time frame of 69 when this change occurred..

[bcmiller]

Darrell, the second one has a date code of 16th week. 

[cook_dw]

This is a picture from an 03E NOR X77 survivor, GM of Canada-documented car that has a production date of April 7, 1969; I noted it because the rear spoiler nuts are of the acorn style:

Do you know the stamp date?

Darrell, the second one has a date code of 16th week. 

Thats strange.  That would put it in the April - May timeframe and none of the lids I have have the tabs & T/A holes..  Hmmmm

[bcmiller]

Darrell, and it is just "16" - no other numbers or letters.

[twol78s]

'67 05C Trunk Lid (no spoiler)
-Rick

[twol78s]

I neglected to mention that the 05C car is a Van Nuys Camaro
-Rick

[ZLP955]

Do you know the stamp date?

Can't find it in my notes, so probably didn't document it...... was a few years ago.

[ZLP955]

Here is another one, this is an 04C survivor X77 that was posted for sale (IIRC) a few years ago by Stefano over at sYc. The third picture shows the trunk lid date stamp, not so easy to make out last digit but it's definitely T A1x, so has to be week 10 or later - up to 3rd week of April, week 16 or thereabouts.

[cook_dw]

Darrell, and it is just "16" - no other numbers or letters.

Ok, well crap..  That makes things a little harder then.. 

Here is another one, this is an 04C survivor X77 that was posted for sale (IIRC) a few years ago by Stefano over at sYc. The third picture shows the trunk lid date stamp, not so easy to make out last digit but it's definitely T A1x, so has to be week 10 or later - up to 3rd week of April, week 16 or thereabouts.

Tim, thank you!

[69 Zee]

Darrell,  Hope I can help and add to your data.  Here's the original trunk lid to 03B Nor Z.  Has no tabs.  Also, was there a particular location where GM date stamped these lids ?  I looked all around and couldn't find anything     The lid was repainted to white back in the 70's,  so maybe it's hidden underneath somewhere. 

[cook_dw]

That does help.  Thanks Darrell.


The stamp is in the lower center portion of the inner layer portion of the lid.

[ZLP955]

You can see the date stamp in my 3rd picture above, to the right of the jack instruction label. There is often another stamp in the center, below the jack label, but it's often fainter (less defined) like the one visible in that same photo.

[69 Zee]

Update to my 03B Z.   I was easily able to find the date stamp near where some white paint was beginning to peeling.  The original Dusk blue can be seen underneath the white which also assures me this is the original lid as well.

Dated:  T A 10  (10th week of the Calendar year, first week of March)

[Jon Mello]

Here's an original T52 dated trunk lid on an 01B Norwood '67 Camaro. The latch and bolts are painted.

[janobyte]

can't find the date code, un-touched underneath so I'm not sanding.(you understand) Latches/bolts shot. Car's 68. 04D Norwood ,non-spoiler. See anything that helps your quest?

[MO]

can't find the date code, un-touched underneath so I'm not sanding.(you understand) Latches/bolts shot. Car's 68. 04D Norwood ,non-spoiler. See anything that helps your quest?

It's probably under the jacking instructions.

[Jon Mello]

As shown in the photo below

[janobyte]

maybe 1 9 left to right honestly can not make it out for sure.

I still haven't got the body shop pics when it was stripped ,anything he found he recorded. I did not want under the deck lid touched so it may forever be a mystery. Of course could probably make a pretty educated guess.

I'm assuming hole above date code was for Ziebart?? Looks punched, not drilled.