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396/402 Need some thoughts... internals pic heavy

Started by HawkX66, November 20, 2015, 11:56:29 AM

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HawkX66

So I have this "running" 396 that I picked up back east last summer. It's the original 300 hp 402 out of a 71 SS396 Chevelle that I plan on running in place of my born with motor that I'm storing away. Of course once I cracked it open to assess things, I found it obviously wasn't running in a long time....
When I say "budget build" I mean this engine will probably make engine guys cry when I get it back together... I know I can buy a 454 etc. I have what I have and I'm going to make the best of it. Help with doing that will be appreciated.
I'd like to get away with new bearings, rings, cam & lifters. I might replace the valves too. There was some damage to one. I'm planning on honing the block myself. This is just going to be a runner for a while. I know it won't be a rocket... I can't afford to "build" this motor right now, so I just want to fix it and maybe cam it. Any recommendations to bump up the hp & torque without head & piston work?
It's a std crank, bore and the factory cam. Can someone confirm that the pistons are the factory 8.5:1 that came with it? They aren't exactly flat top, but I think they're just the standard factory pistons.
Someone has been in the motor before. The oil pump was brazed and all the rods & caps have been marked with cylinder numbers. It has a Cloyes double roller timing chain that appears to be in good condition and 14 of the push rods are Melling MPR-44 & 44a. Two look factory. I'll buy two new push rods... I suspect this has something to do with the valve retainer damage. What do you think could have caused that? See the pic below.

Heads: 3993820 113cc open chamber oval port 2.06 intake 1.72 ex
Crank:3904815NF Standard grind
Cam: factory
Standard Bore block

So my questions are:
1. Are these pistons factory or bumped up compression?
2. What do I need for bearings? Everything is standard. Can I just ordered standard bearings or are there options?
3. Same question with rings.



Damaged Retainer:











Dave
69 SS396 X66 L34 M21 BS
Z23 711 U17 Hugger Orange
Semper Fi!

Kelley W King

Comp grinds the LS6 in Hydraulic, I have one sounds good idles 750 to 800
DUI will curve you an HEI to match your cam,comp,weight, and gear. I have not tried it but it sounds good.
Power feelings will come from your gears. My is a dog with 3.36. I think the cam cannot get to its range quick enough but it was a dog with the stock cam also.
69 Z28 RS Scuncio Hi Performance
69 SS L78
67 SS Chevelle
64 Corvette
66 GTO Tiger Gold
77 Trans Am Special Edition

HawkX66

Quote from: Kelley W King on November 20, 2015, 02:25:40 PM
Comp grinds the LS6 in Hydraulic, I have one sounds good idles 750 to 800
DUI will curve you an HEI to match your cam,comp,weight, and gear. I have not tried it but it sounds good.
Power feelings will come from your gears. My is a dog with 3.36. I think the cam cannot get to its range quick enough but it was a dog with the stock cam also.
Thanks Kelley. If yours is a dog with 3.36, I'm sure mine will be much better with my stock 3.31s lol....
Dave
69 SS396 X66 L34 M21 BS
Z23 711 U17 Hugger Orange
Semper Fi!

Kelley W King

If you keep the 3.31,s you might want a 454 or 502
69 Z28 RS Scuncio Hi Performance
69 SS L78
67 SS Chevelle
64 Corvette
66 GTO Tiger Gold
77 Trans Am Special Edition

HawkX66

Or a 427 or 572 or... I know what's out there, but I don't have a spare $x,000.00 to spend. I'd like to fix this motor. 400 ft lbs of torque with the original cam. A new cam should make more power. Should be plenty to move the tires. I'm not expecting 12s out of it with what I plan on running for now.
Dave
69 SS396 X66 L34 M21 BS
Z23 711 U17 Hugger Orange
Semper Fi!

L78 steve

69 Z/28 Dover White. SOLD
67 SS/RS Mt. Green 1W,2LGSR,3SL,4K,5BY,07C. SOLD
70 Nova L78 Blk. Cherry,Sandalwood,M21,02B

HawkX66

Dave
69 SS396 X66 L34 M21 BS
Z23 711 U17 Hugger Orange
Semper Fi!

cook_dw

If you need help with your engine you can shoot me a pm or give me call and I can give you some advice, cam choice, etc.   I would do yourself a huge favor and have a valve job and guides and have them cut for posi lock seals.. 

HawkX66

Quote from: cook_dw on November 20, 2015, 06:45:58 PM
If you need help with your engine you can shoot me a pm or give me call and I can give you some advice, cam choice, etc.   I would do yourself a huge favor and have a valve job and guides and have them cut for posi lock seals.. 
I appreciate that Darrell. There's a bunch of  things that I'd really love to do, but I think I'm just going to try cleaning up the heads and lapping the valves and call it a day for that. This motor really doesn't need to be anything special. It's just a place holder for a while. If I do one thing, I'll end up in quicksand and have spent too much money.
Dave
69 SS396 X66 L34 M21 BS
Z23 711 U17 Hugger Orange
Semper Fi!

HustleRussell

This piston is from standard bore 1968 L35 0.19 dome.
Russ 
68 RS
69 SS

HustleRussell

I purchased this piston at swat meet earlier this year. I was told it was from 71 402. 0.115 dome.
Russ 
68 RS
69 SS

HustleRussell

Your pistons look like silvolite 1445 replacements.
Russ 
68 RS
69 SS

HawkX66

Quote from: 1969Z27 on November 20, 2015, 08:09:23 PM
Your pistons look like silvolite 1445 replacements.

Nice. So someone probably bumped the compression up from 8.5:1. Thanks. Gives me a direction to look in.
Dave
69 SS396 X66 L34 M21 BS
Z23 711 U17 Hugger Orange
Semper Fi!