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opinions please... is this a known date?    Thanks

67 KPH speedo wanted if anyone knows one reasonable...  please email at mraffaele69@hotmail.com


Thanks Max       

I got a PPG Deltron paintcode from another site, but apparently does not exist anymore. Also need black code also for the stripes.

Im not necesarily going to use Deltron, but I want a BC-CC paint....  any help is appreciated.

Thanks CRG
Max

Hey guys, great site and pics !!!    Ive been looking at all the pics and have not found a good pic of what I was looking for. Maybe I should be asking in another thread..??    What type of fastener did they use to attach the heater delete plates?   Thanks in advance !   max

I beleive my 67 Z may have an extra hole or two in the firewall. There seems to be an extra 3/4" hole above where the steering column comes thru and the gas pedal linkage area...and various smaller drilled holes more near the center wire loom and heater box area. I cannot find any reference to this hole in the ass. manual. I'd like to fix whatever necessary to make it correct before paint. Only option on my car besides the standard Z stuff is the very rare shoulder belts. Also car is latest cowl tag Z known...07C car, if that matters. 

Can anyone post some clear pics of thier bare Z firewall before restoration for reference? or email to mraffaele69@yahoo.com

Thanks in advance,
and thanks CRG, Max       

Happy New Year Kurt and to everyone here at CRG

Hey Jon and fellow members,

I found this forum just a few months ago. Great job and keep up the good work !! I am sure I will have plenty of questions soon now that I am finally getting my car together.

Just for a little backgroud. I bought my first Camaro before I had my drivers license at 15 years old. it was a 67 RS. Me and a friend split the car and we paid 75 bucks...37.50 each !!   That was 2 weeks delivering the local newspaper for me back in them days !! haha ..Soon after, I read an article in a magazine about the elusive 67 Z. How there were only 602 made, and they had no emblems..just stripes and the drivetrain. Very soon after, I painted black stripes on our RS. We probably had the first 67 Z-28 clone ever!!...even though it was an automatic...haha

Fast forward some 35 years..I am finally bulding my real 67 Z and at last fired up the motor. It was purchased at Smokey Yunicks auction. I dont know if I can post the vid here, so here is a link to the Yenko site that has the vid.  I thought You guys would like it.

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=468006#Post468006

So whats the deal here...This was in the trunk of my 67 Z since I bought it...I always assumed it was from the car originally...I finally checked the code..and the date is 69,correct??  Is this a service replacement rim??? didi they use this rim for a different application in 69??? Thanks CRG

this is what i believe to be the original spare to my 70 Z-28...Sorry its not a 69   

but I know you guys know the most about these things!!!   thanks CRG

So...i"m going thru my parts tryin' to figure out what i really have...and I check this 12 bolt rear for the casting date...  I never saw anything like this before...  have you guys???

No casting month??

just looked at 69 Z for sale...any info on car?? Im suspicious...Thanks

So I tried to post this on the camaro site, but I could not get the pics posted...maybe here is better anyway...

I am going to be selling my LA 69 Z28...Ive had it probably atleast over 10 years...I bought it and it had a few things that were obviously not original...The motor...it has a big block...and the heater core has been changed to big block..it has a non-original cowe hood and air cleaner...i dont think the spoilers were original...and it has woodgrain deluxe setup on the dash...the cars been painted a few times, so who really knows??  but im tryin to find out th ebest i can...

i thought it might be an original ss big block car...assuming someone had converted it to a Z...but a few things happened once I started investigating that makes me believe it is a real Z for sure.. about a few months ago, i found an old insurance card from a prior owner in 1986...i went to the address on the card and spoke to his brother who got me in touch with the prior owner...it turns out he actually owns a bodyshop and painted the car back to the originall silver as the car was orango when he bought it...he even says he has photos of the car back then...I am going to swing by there this week and talk to him further...he does insist that the car had a 302 in it when he had it by the way!!!

anyway..I finally dropped the tank the other day to find that the tank apparently is not the original, because of a foam insulation instead of the tarpaper type deadener...

So I investigated further and checked the numbers on the trans... i found the assembly date...but no vin
I raed that they put the vins on top of the LA muncies...soo..I dropped the trans...
lo and behold...not one vin,,,but 2!!!
so its an original muncie car...the trans tunnel is correct too...

I took the rear out years ago and stored it in place of an aftermarket moser rear w/discs...so i went to the basement and checked the numbers... it seems like the rear is wrong?? it is a BU code 12 bolt..but I dont think the dates line up...

I took other pics also...is there anything else to look for??
Are the rear panel bolt holes unique for the Z emblems?
  Ill post pics..let me know what you think...thanks...

the car is vin L5038XX                                    Los 104584

                                                711                69 69 
                                                 10B                 260


apparently a rather early car... 

I'll try the pics hope they work...  trans assembly stamp...thanks

When was the first 69 Los Camaro built??  my Z car is a 10B...  did they make 10A cars?? or any cars in sept??  would this car have been made the first week?? Vin L5038xx    Los 1045xx

would that be the 3800th car?? and 4,500th body?? or what?? 

  the owner from 1981 is local and verifies that the car was a Z when he had it, but is there any definitive way to tell thats its a real Z without the original motor??  it has all the Z typical stuff..#'s match original muncie with Vin...original dated 12 boly 3.73 posi...discs...plate on frame rail..high redline tach,etc...but, I know some options have been added over the years as per conversation with prior owner....rosewood...cowl hood,etc...

   thanks...

I was reading a post on the yenko site that listed the Assembly codes for the Zl-1 camaro and vette blocks...I always assumed I had a block with a vette assembly stamp, but upon closer inspection, the block is clearly stamped ME... am I confused?? Im fairly certain this is an original stamp as owner has had this block for many years...

Im finally done moving my 'stuff' from one garage to another...now all my 'stuff' is everywhere in a different garage...One good thing came of the move..I did come across the AC baffles to my 69 vert after about 15 years being'lost' in my old garage.... my car is almost done so I have a few questions....are they really needed for the AC to work well? if so, can I still install them now that the car is all together?? and finally, what do you think they are worth if I decide not to use them on my car?

   thanks CRG

what color should the heater box be on a 69? its a bit glossier than the firewall isnt it? is the aftermarket interior heater box/ firewall insulation the way to go when reassembling the dash area...is there any tips that might help...I am assembling a basket case, so i did not take it apart...a bit harder I guess...

thanks

[that they are still out there]

  Im heading home from a S. America trip tomorrow and could not believe my eyes when I arrived at a restaurant yesterday in Panama City (central america)and there was a 69 RS Z-28 in the parking lot...and better yet it was really hurtin...the one fender appeared to be painted with a can..the door was all dented..it was jacked up in the rear and overall was in bad shape, but obviously daily driven. i briefly checked the car out...It was (I believe) lemans blue...it had black houndstooth...early walnut wheel...6k tack and guages(although the colors on the tach were very faded)..12 bolt, discs, rear bumper guards..flat hood... it had the one fender and rear Z emblems and a Panama license plate...it was either missing the hideaways or they were open..I really didnt look at it too long, because I just had to speak with the owner, so I snapped 2 quick pics and entered the restaurant to search for the owner..next thing, I heard the rumble of glass packs?? in the parking lot...the car was pulling away as I ran out of the restaurant     Anyway, it just goes to show that they are still out there..

You just gotta go a little further to find them...   


im not sure how to post the pics...anyone help?

I had the pleasure recently of having Jerry visit my home. He came to drop off my original Zl-1 motor for my car and to appraise/document my 69 L78 M-22 indy. My hat's off to him for such a beautiful job he did restoring and rebuilding my motor. I dont know if I ever need to put it in the car as everyone who sees it  just sitting in my garage is awestruck!! I'm sure it will run as good as it looks. I'm actually planning to have it dynod shortly. I'll keep you posted on the results. I just have to get going on restoring the car now!! My brother, father and everyone in my office were excited with anticipation to have "the actual Jerry Macniesh"in the flesh at my house...no repros or fakes here!!!  hahaha

Anyway, I could tell where Jerry's heart is as he actually killed the batteries of his camera before he started the appraisal on my Indy because he took so many pics of my 67 Z project cars  My heart is where Jerry's is ever since I bought that 67 camaro (327-auto) when I was 15 yrs old for 75 bucks and turned it into a 67 Z...with the stripes and 69 Z emblems and all!!   hahaha

Jerry has restored a number of components for my cars over the years...and of course he took with him a few more of my parts to restore when he left...

Jerry, I hoped you enjoyed seeing my small collection of cars and parts...or as my Mom always put it...my junkers!! (God Bless her soul)...if she only knew now...hahaha

Once again ...my hats off to you and thanks for a job well done on my motor...

                         thanks a million,    Max

is it better to post your vin so you might find your original motor/trans, etc....i am scared of someone "making" my original block and then trying to sell it to me.

  thanks

did they ever put a m-20 in a 69 z originally??  i have recently looked at a 69 camaro that i had known locally back in the 80,s....I lost track of the car for years, but recently was told about this z-28 that had been stored for years...etc...etc............anyway, the car is an L.A  car ....it has the 12 bolt and discs, tach and guages,  and little plate on the rear frame rail, etc.   the original 302 is long gone, but the original muncie with the VIN is there ...but it seems to be an m-20....it has 2 rings on the input and is a wide ratio trans.....the car has always had the stripes and Z emblems and all the other parts...(supposedly it even had the 302) since back in the day...the car even has the old cowl air cleaner with the 302 sticker  in real rough shape....i just always assumed it was a real Z since when I first knew the car ....., but I was under the impression that it would have to have a m-21 or m-22 if it was a Z.

   I realize there is no way to tell if it is real for sure without paperwork, but I'd like to know if it is definitely not a Z. I actually figured it wasnt because of the trans, but I recently saw a Z for sale all original with paperwork and a m-20???  thanks...

I purchased a package of parts a while back that included a pacecar project car(basket case). I was wondering if anyone knows any history on the car?? I have spoken to the owner from 1979 who says he pulled the original 375 hp motor in favor of a 350. Apparently the car is known as it was once listed on ebay. The car is in bad shape, but still retains the original paint. The car has a manual top and no console, which I find interesting. Car was in Ny state most of its life apparently. I have posted on camaros.net also. Any info would be appreciated. Is there an official pacecar registry??

    thanks

   ps.  i do have the M-22 with the partial vin and the C code suffix on the assembly date.

   car info is:  vin 617795

    03D                               nor 280366
    tr 723                            50A pnt
                                         Z11