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This topic has been moved to 1969 - Orphans.
It's an orphan!
https://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=21840.0

I'm researching battery cables and I'm looking for the cable part numbers and broadcast codes from any 67-69 L6 cars. The part # and code is molded into the cable and the format is 6290588 BT. I think I know what the codes should be, but confirmation is always needed. Do any of you have AC on your L6?
Thanks!
Kurt

Thomas generously provided documentation on 65 1967 Camaros that were built in NOR and then shipped to Switzerland as SUP's. (The Swiss plant also assembled Camaros.) There were limited details on the cars, but here's what we can glean from the data.

Drivetrain - While most (53) were V8's, there were 12 L6 cars. Of the V8's, three were SS350 cars (2 manual, 1 auto) and five were LF7 (base 327) with four of the five getting an automatic transmission. No info on the other 45 V8 engines. All the L6's got a manual transmission except for one convertible. Whereas the V8's favored automatics over manuals by a 3:1 ratio.. I believe that autos were perceived as more of a luxury - most European cars were manuals then.

15 convertibles (including 2 L6 cars) and 50 coupes. There were 12 different colors ordered, but most (17) were white. The next most common colors were: 13 gold, 9 red, 6 turquoise, and 6 maroon. It is notable that they only ordered 1 butternut yellow, which was one of the top 2 colors in the US in 67.
They started ordering cars at the start of production and from September through November, there were 31 cars built. A bit of a pause in December, then 32 more cars were built from January to March. No cars were ordered after March for the 1967 model year, due to the logistics of getting the cars to the port, shipped, and through customs and then homologated. So far, all the known SUP's have had power windows, consoles, deluxe seatbelts, bumper guards, and style trim (and one rally sport). Most of the cars also have deluxe interiors, except for the eight L6 cars that were built later in the year - they all had standard interiors, presumably to keep the price down.

This topic has been moved to Trans-Am Camaros.

http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=21715.0

I have this nice original 68 distributor. It show how they painted the color ID stripe on it - it was clearly done with a gun, not a brush.
There is a fair amount of overspray from painting the engine. You can see the spot were the distributor clamp was located.

Linking to a 69 Z28 that went through Vintage Certification last year. Lots of detailed pictures, lots of originality (note the engine was apart).
https://www.yenko.net/forum/showpost.php?p=1669634&postcount=42

9N647803 M21   https://www.ebay.com/itm/205305837878
9N664640?  M20  https://www.ebay.com/itm/326463109331
9N695570 M21  https://www.ebay.com/itm/166956482035
9N511247  https://www.ebay.com/itm/126851695301 (correct item #, but ebay changed it to show a different item!!)
Hat-tip to Warren for the links!

8N375135  https://www.ebay.com/itm/167246973886
8N474542  https://www.ebay.com/itm/116398245439

Does anyone have a picture of the 69 starter solenoid wiring harness retainer installed?
Here's what it looks like pre-installation.  

Thanks!

CRG is pleased to publish a Research Report on hoods. Troy Criscillis, Ed Bertrand, and Bryon Miller did a lot of detailed research into the 67-69 hood variants.
Their work is: http://www.camaros.org/hoods.shtml
Thanks guys!

NOR282325 tag was on ebay 18 years ago - reputed Denver Hugger Special car, painted light blue.
The tag made it onto 124379N625207, which is just a rolling shell. https://www.ebay.com/itm/166982235701

Here's the production numbers breakdown for BB coupes vs convertibles. Not many L78 convertibles, like that is a surprise.

L35 396/325hp
67: 3432 coupes and 571 convertibles
68: 9841 coupes and 932 convertibles
69: 5667 coupes and 785 convertibles * thru Sept 69, missing Oct and Nov production

L34 396/350hp
68: 2371 coupes and 208 convertible
69: 1769 coupes and 198 convertible * thru Sept 69, missing Oct and Nov production

L78 396/375hp
67: 1025 coupes and 113 convertibles
68: 4413 coupes and 162 convertibles
69: 3400 coupes and 200 convertibles * thru Sept 69, missing Oct and Nov production

*updated with L34 info that Bryon posted.

Marie Claude Beaumont and Michele Dubosc's Tour de France Camaro.
At the Paris Auto Show, Oct 69.
I see RS, SS 396, rallys, front bumper guards.

I've never seen this bulletin before. And note that it's not the normal all-yellow TSB. It does not have the word Dealer in the title either.
http://www.camaros.org/images/doc/TSB_69-T-4.jpg

I updated John's assembly article. I added some more pictures within the text and then added other assembly pictures in galleries. It went from about 20 original pictures to almost 50 high-quality pictures
http://www.camaros.org/assemblyprocess.shtml
Lots of details in the pictures - you can see the broadcast code on the rear brake drum, the carb covers to make sure parts don't fall into the carb, the broadcast sheet taped to the axle, etc. And you can see John off to the side in one of the pictures.

I found this GM writeup on prepping the 302 for H-D service. I also posted it in the General forum.
http://www.camaros.org/pdf/Z28_HD_service.pdf

I also found some information on the 2x4 intake.
http://www.camaros.org/pdf/Z28_2x4.pdf

Both are in the library section of the site. http://www.camaros.org/library.shtml

I found this GM writeup on prepping the 302 for H-D service. I also posted it in the Trans-Am forum since some of them don't venture into the other parts of the forum.
http://www.camaros.org/pdf/Z28_HD_service.pdf

I also found some information on the 2x4 intake.
http://www.camaros.org/pdf/Z28_2x4.pdf

Both are in the library section of the site. http://www.camaros.org/library.shtml

I added the 67-69 starter info on the Engine page.
http://www.camaros.org/engine.shtml#starters

I've had many people ask over the years if they could donate to the CRG to help offset our expenses. Those server hosting expenses mainly have been shouldered by Doug Depew for many years (thank you Doug!).
I have setup a separate Paypal account to accept donations to CRG.
Here's the link: paypal.me/CamaroResearchGroup.
To be clear, donations are not required, any amount is appreciated, and donations have no connection to your CRG forum activity.

Thanks!
Kurt

We have evidence that some of the LOS-built Z11's and Z28's with spoilers had decklid stripes that extended onto the rear lip of the decklid. On NOR-built cars and early LOS cars, the stripe ended at the spoiler, as shown in the attached picture.
We are looking to define how common of a practice this was at LOS so I'm looking for any original LOS-built cars (or original pictures) out there that show either paint method. Again, this is only relevant to Z28's with factory spoilers or Z11 pace cars. Post the build date if you know it.

Thanks!
Kurt

I ran across this comparison of engine weights - complete engines less bellhousing, flywheel, and clutch. Think DZ vs L78 vs L89 vs ZL1. This is comparison of nominal weights - a L78 vs a LS6 vs a L88 are going to have some minimal weight differences.
All variances (in parentheses) are from the iron small block.

Small block, cast iron   -   520 pounds
Small block, iron w al head  - 480   (-40)
Small block, al head & block - 389  (-131)

Big block, cast iron   -       754  (+234)
Big block, iron w al head  - 660 (+140)
Big block, al head & block - 501 (-19)

The 68 steering linkage usage is complicated - we've known that and the 68 Z28 usages show that. http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=7610.msg187060#new

So let's expand that to all 68's and see what we can figure out
Looking for some vehicle info: body date, plant, manual or power steering, drums or discs, and engine. And the pitman, idler, and steering arms (which connect to the outer tie rods) forging numbers.

The TH350 3-speed automatic transmission was officially offered as an option (RPO) in 1969. But in 1968, Chevrolet used the COPO system to create a Turbo Hydra-matic 350 transmission test fleet before the new transmission was released. COPO 9665 was engineered to allow the use of the TH350 transmission in the 1968 model year cars. The intent was to get real-world test miles on the vehicles before production began in 1969 model year.
The test fleet included full-size Chevrolets, Chevelles, Novas, and Camaros. The vehicles were initially assigned as Chevrolet company cars, for use at both at the assembly plants and at the division level. Afterwards, they were sold as used company cars.
The cars were built with several different engine models and over a range of build dates. For the Camaro test vehicles, the TH350 was available with the base 327 (210 hp), the L30 (327/275hp), and the L48 (350/295hp). All three engines have been observed in 68 Camaros, though the L30 appears to be the most common. The engines will have unique engine suffix codes of MI, EN, and MF. The cars were built at both LOS and NOR assembly plants, but most were built at Norwood. Production was from May through the end of 68 production in July.

It only took 12 years (literally!) to create.
I added a bunch of service bulletins and other info.

http://www.camaros.org/library.shtml

Looking for the TSB on 67 power window, if anyone has it.....

Kurt

For the numbers junkies. I was looking at some data about AC usage in 69's. The AC distribution caught my eye.
18% of 69 Camaros had AC (vs 60% of full-size cars!). A higher percent of AC (23-29%) was on the lower performance engines.

Of the cars with AC, 88% were automatics, 12% were manuals. It did vary by engine. The base engines w/ AC were 8-9% manual. But if you ordered an SS with AC, it jumped to 23% manual trans.

So most people bought automatic drivers with AC, but if you were going for a performance version with AC, then you were more likely to get a manual trans (compared to low-po cars).