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Congrats Jim       

Kurt and Warren are the true embodiment of what makes this hobby fun and CRG is an excellent way to help all us Camaro nutz!      

Glad to hear about this ~

The ZL1 was on the block for nearly 10 minutes, I taped it.....The car is a rebody that used a lot of NOS Parts. The auction people and the seller disclosed that  a GM shell was used in the the restoration..... could of been a little more forthright instead of having to read in between the lines but the guys from Speed missed that key fact all together. Had paperwork from selling dealer but much of the car was not original. Paperwork kept the price strong @ 410K. Car was sold at BJ back in 2006 for 436K.

Follow this link to Ken Waters website and you will see they have posted the three page report.

http://independentcustoms.com/contents01.htm

I am confused as the report posted does not mention that the drive train was a restoration drive train and I thought I remember reading that Jerry noted in his report that it was a restoration drive train.

" The trim tag and vin number tag and paperwork is real.  I flagged the drive train as a restoration drive train in the report on the car."

Since the report has been posted in the public domain I am hoping we can get a clarification on this.

Not sure if this really puts the matter to rest.

Jerry has stated no one told him it was a rebody and the way his posts do read implies that it is indeed a rebody without the original drive train.  A few post earlier 200MPH aka Mike Joy states infactidly that the car is the real deal, not a rebody,  with the original drive train and all "born with  the car" trim tags, vin and hidden vins.  Furthermore he goes on to say that he has seen Jerry's report and there is no note in that report of the car not having an original drivetrain and that Jerry is confused with the other two cars he looked at the restorer's shop.

I can see Jerry coming forward to protect his name and to set the record straight while still protecting the integrity of being a licensed appraiser by not fully releasing the report. However I am confused and do not understand why Mike Joy is posting claims the car is real and, in essence, telling Jerry he is mistaken and has the cars confused. Does Mike Joy have a dog in this hunt?  He seems to be the only one that believes the car is 100% wiith all the original born with items mentioned real despite overwhelming evidence that surely does indicate otherwise. There have been a lot of well known Camaro people weighing in on this not only on this site but SYC and Team Camaro as well that dispute the claims that 200MPH is making. I know he is tied into Speed who is tied into BJ and obviously this is not good PR for BJ, especially considering what has happened in the past couple of auctions where you had a Judge chain his car, serious questions as to schill bidding or deceptive bidding practices as well as a well known writer being tossed from the event by security.  Don't know about you, but I'm waiting to see what happens in Scottsdale in less than 90 days.

Billy, congrats on the 1st Junior....I know how tough that can be. Good job and an excellent write up too~ Your car is sweet~

Hope to see ya around ~

Tom

Thanks CRG for putting the original thread back up

Billy.....How did it go?

Good seeing you at Taste of the Town a few weeks back and congrats on your First Place award there~

Tom

So once the edit is finished, is it CRG's intention to put the thread back up?

I felt that this thread was very informative as to what can happen when old paperwork is sold and the car is beyound being repairable as it appears to be the case with this particular instance.  As I stated in that thread, before it was taken down for editing, we need to KEEP THE REAL CARS REAL and expose the ones that are not.

A lot of people are watching this and we owe it to the perservation of our hobby not to sweep it under the rug as we have seen happened in the past.

Question for ya....what did you do with the trim tags & hidden vin? Where they salvaged and used on this to make it a questionable re-body or where they buried with the car and what's on there now is fake also?

$125K is a lot to pay for a tribute/clone/recreation or whatever else you want to call this '69 Z.

Thanks for coming forward with this info. We need to keep the real cars real and expose this type of deception from our hobby.

Happy Saint Patrick's day to all!

Here's the latest update on this saga........it makes for interesting reading.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0317barrett0317.html

It will be interesting to see how this unfolds now that the person B/J is taking action against actually is a Judge...

Jerry, sent you a PM.

Tom

Thanks for the info Jerry. I had not seen the paperwork and docs. I'll pass that info along to Robert so he can get his facts correct.

You're right about the soap opera aspect. It's going to be interesting to see what happens next.

Do you know why the original motor was pulled and left behind when the car changed hands?

So if I am following this correctly...., the original owner who bought #40 was born before World War #1 and 7 years after the Wright Bothers made their flight down in Kitty Hawk ?  Man that is pretty cool.

Jerry, I thought the selling dealer was Sport and they had got it from Lustine after it was returned from Gibb. One of the guys at Sport who still works there today was there back then and I thought I understood from him that was the case.


Tom

    

THE AUTOMATICS, EXCEPT CALIFORNIA CARS DID NOT HAVE A.I.R. HOLES.

That's what I have always understood as well.