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Hate to see you go Ed.    The research phase of the project was the worst for me personally but I stayed with it.  When you are ready to return I am sure the community will be here to welcome you back.

Planning for the August event is suspended at this time due to the untimely passing of UAW 674 president David Harris. David worked the lines at Norwood as a UAW member and later as a supervisor for GM. After the closure in 1987 David continued working through his retirement ultimately running for and being elected the president of the active UAW 674 while technically still in retirement.

A car hobbyist had no better friend than David.

Always quick with a smile, words of encouragement and ready to help car owners meet the people who built the cars of NORWOOD.

OK Here we go.. We have a free event planned at the legacy GM Norwood Parts warehouse on August 9th.

This is a joint micro event planned by the UAW 674 and GM in conjunction with an open house event where you will be able to display your car, tour the GM facility, meet current employees of GM and meet retired Norwood workers.

Cars attending (that I schedule) will get a preferential display area. This is an outdoor event so plan accordingly for the weather.

Some Background: The GM Parts warehouse was located at the Norwood plant until 1965 when it and its employees were relocated to another nearby location along with the Norwood Zone office which then became the Cincinnati Zone office.

If you would like to participate post up and I will get you the info. 

SLSR="Solid Lifter Show Room" ... Info at the link:

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/573298/re-gm-carlisle-solid-lifter-sh#Post573298

I will be at SLSR with the Nor artifact...unveil is scheduled for 1:00 pm Sat.

["For vehicle shipping purposes the shipper must be very accurate as to the ship date when the shipper takes possession of the product. This is the "production date" as referred to on the shipper".]

6667ss138... this information may help a bit with respect to your overall curiosity.

For Norwood the production date was forecast in the production planning review meeting that occurred 72 hours prior to production.   For those of you with "Echoes" on the book shelf have a look at pages 90-93.

Fortunately the production scheduling superintendent is still with us and I asked him about the vehicle shipper vs the production date.

He stated without hesitation that "the holding lot could hold better than 4000 cars at any one time and it typically took two days "or more" to get the car shipped".   "Even more days were required if the car was held up at repair either outside in the holding lots, or inside at AGR".

"For vehicle shipping purposes the shipper must be very accurate as to the ship date when the shipper takes possession of the product. This is the "production date" as referred to on the shipper".

In a good faith effort to understand the relationship between the dates on the Body Plate (called the trim tag by the hobby) researchers and have tended to rely on the shipper info from NCIB and now the NCRS to establish the build date of the car and in so doing discount the date applied to the body plate.

OK: First off the shipper date is the date when the car was considered "released to the shipper" -- and all production/repair was technically complete.    In the period 1967-1970 the date of production on the body plate in relationship with the ship date could be influenced by any one of the following:

A production hold at the Fisher body bank
A production hold off line at Fisher in body shop, Paint, hard or soft trim.
A production hold at the Chevrolet body bank.
Chevrolet repairs after production at AGR
Chevrolet repairs after production in the post production holding lots

My 1969 Z-11 fell right in with the description provided by the production superintendent.   It is an 05-A Body plate car.    Based upon the NCRS provided "production date" from the vehicle shipper-my car sat in the plant holding lot roughly three production days prior to being assigned a shipper date for May 7th.

On E-bay not mine but I used them for stoves on a manifold I restored...they worked OK.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NOS-67-68-69-Chevy-Camaro-427-350-Exhaust-Manifold-Heat-Shield-Drive-rivets-/221401662454?vxp=mtr

Perhaps only in print... It is in the color section near the front of the mag. 

It was rated G for family friendly content.

Congrats to the CRG for the mention in this Month's "what we are browsing" review.   The site got a "G" rating...

Nice!!  Thanks for sharing...

Discussed here also:  http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/560934/Educate_Me#Post560934

Ok I will do it...

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/306777/1

Some cars will likely require entire body replacement to repair.  Mechanical Assembly restores the vehicles in the GM Heritage Collection and GM’s historic concept cars, so they know how to resurrect the dead so to speak.

I know it's an old debate, but at what point is it not the same car and can you still call it the 1 millionth for instance? Where is the "heart" of the car. The drive train? Maybe. A completely rebodied car to me can be a nice car, but it isn't the same car as before. It's a new one.
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Good question.. likely moot since GM built both.

Awesome!! I hope you are not kidding, I am ready. I will let ya know how my training and harness fitting goes.... Danny

If anyone can get what it takes (resource wise) to extract the cars out of the hole it is Mark Reuss.

When the cars are recovered, they will be shipped to the Mechanical Assembly facility over at GM design where an individualized restoration approach will be determined for each car.   Some cars will likely require entire body replacement to repair.   

Mechanical Assembly restores the vehicles in the GM Heritage Collection and GM’s historic concept cars, so they know how to resurrect the dead so to speak.